My friend’s mom got run over recently. The guy had the alcohol percentage that indicated he’d don’t at least ten shots of hard liquor in an hour and he was going well over the speed limit. He got her so hard it crumpled the front of his truck.
But in Cali, since it’s a first time offence, he’s getting like, a thousand dollar fine. The cremation is going to cost more.
I know this is stupid, but I’d argue any accident while drunk is premeditated murder. You knowingly got drunk. You knowingly got behind the wheel of a ton of metal and aimed it at someone. Maybe the person wasn’t chosen specifically, but your other actions are those of someone aiming to kill and preparing to do so in advance. You should be put away for the rest of your life.
And driving under the influence is attempted murder. Who gives a shit if you didn’t manage to hit anyone? You still tried to kill them, you cunt.
This is incredibly reductive and makes us look like idiots who don’t understand “intent”.
I get it, fuck cars, but this is ridiculous and only serves to make us look like a joke
“Oops, my foot slipped on the wrong pedal.”
Intent without confessions and manifestos may not be that easy to prove.
They’re not comparable.
If I’m at a firing range, where it is expected that people are carrying guns and ammunition, I can pull the same “oops, my finger slipped” excuse.
Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.
Seriously, stop with the mental gymnastics. We don’t need to reach for more reasons to say “fuck cars.” There are plenty within arms reach
Well, we shouldn’t build our cities around hundreds miles of firing ranges then, right?
Similarly, if I drive my car around the side of your house and into your back yard to run you over, I can’t claim “my foot slipped”.
I see one of those posts with cars crashed into houses every week somewhere. No murder charge.
You are the one doing mental gymnastics bro. What is that back yard comparison? Obviously you just swerve off the road, run him over and say you fell asleep - long day, had to work long hours to pay off my medical debt. Or have an old person run over CEOs, 80yo in cars kill people all the time because they should not be driving anymore. They always get off easy.
Then there’s the Sacklers pushing everyone on opioids until the US public is addicted and getting fentanyl off the street. 82,000 deaths in 2022. The trend is that number is rising.
Was it intentional that Purdue started the epidemic? Their lobbyists pushed doctors to over prescribe them including for instances that didn’t warrant them, including material bonuses. So not really, but their shareholders really like dividends even if people have to die for them.
Was it legal? Well, it hasn’t been made illegal yet
See, were not looking at the true evil.
In the case of cars, its not really the driver, but in the US, the stanglehold on transit held by big automotive and big fossil fuel. We have lots of highways (the Interstate Highway System is the biggest single project in the world) and they keep killing high speed trains and begrudge municipal transit, and parking requirements assure that every city is a sprawl of delineated asphalt.
There’s the evil. And since its propelling the climate crisis (and we’re running out of water) it is going to kill us all.
Too bad they threw billions at the far-right propaganda machine to push the fascist autocrat over the non-white non-male that wanted to transition to renewables.
Guns are pushed in the US, and kept fairly unregulated by the munitions companies. Their ads imply you can’t be a real man without a loaded firearm. I never got it, but everyone male on the far-right is super sensitive about their masculinity. And they really like guns.
I’m sure that kid in Texas totally didn’t have intent when he ran over 12 people then backed up over them again
And did that kid get off with a “oopsies!”? No? Then how is that related to this thread?
If we are talking about the rolling coal kid, he did get off with an oopsie.
I get it, fuck cars, but this is ridiculous and only serves to make us look like a joke
This sub has looked like a joke since day one. Nothing new going on here.
every negative comment is not trolling. People should be able to express their dissatisfaction, constructive or not, without instantly getting labelled a “troll”.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Luigi didn’t kill that CEO as far as we know, and titles like this don’t help an innocent man.
Murder is with the intention to kill. This would apply for using a car as a weapon as well and courts do go after these cases in practice, of sniping a target with a car.
But they are too lenient on deathly accidents with gross negligence.
This would apply for using a car as a weapon as well and courts do go after these cases in practice, of sniping a target with a car.
Unless the driver admitted to wanting to kill someone on purpose with their car, the grey area between “I didn’t see them” to “I don’t know what happened.” makes it so that drivers are often only given a citation for a traffic violation (i.e. not stopping at a stop sign), if the victim is lucky enough for that level of “justice”.
It’s very rare to see a driver be convicted of anything beyond vehicular manslaughter, including when you have a history of driving offences, and run off like a coward after running over a cyclist.
edit: grammar
If he used a car purposefully to kill the CEO, no- he would most certainly NOT be free right now.
Murder is murder, regardless of the chosen method.
He would obviously just lie and say it was an accident. I would match his story.
That’s not how vehicular manslaughter trials work. It’s like any other murder prosecution. He’d need to prove it was an accident. And mowing down someone with a car in front of witnesses in broad daylight?
Yeah…
Guilty.
no he doesn’t need to prove it, in a criminal trial in most countries, the prosecution has the burden of proof; in the US “beyond a reasonable doubt”
Dude that’s now how any trial works. You cannot prove an accident is an accident. It’s the prosecutors job to prove that it wasn’t.
The max penalty for 2nd degree vehicular manslaughter is only 7 years. In theory he could be prosecuted for 1st degree or even aggravated, but those require DUI or multiple fatalities.
