34 points

Spain and Portugal: no thank you

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29 points

It existed up until the pandemic, Trenhotel, I took it once. Fell asleep in the center of Madrid, woke up in downtown Lisbon. The trip had beautiful snowy landscapes lit by the full moon. It’s such a shame it’s gone.

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14 points

And Ireland? Or is the map just having a very specific interpretation of “Europe”?

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13 points

Are there night trains in Ireland?

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There are no trains in Ireland T_T

Even the fucking Bus Eireann wouldn’t go all the way to Donegal back in the naughts because fuck driving all the way up there, right? Capitalism at its finest.

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7 points

a night bus use to be seasonal till few years ago XD

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I don’t know, but that’d be the point, right? If it framed Western Europe we’d know that those countries don’t have any, but cutting them off just makes it ambiguous.

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2 points

Tried to get a train to a festival in Portugal next year. Not a chance. 24H travel time, multiple layovers at remote stations… 200€ per person.

Flight, 90€, 3H… Sorry climate. ={

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2 points

They used to have the Pau Casals train BCN-ZRH but they deemed it non profitable or something :(

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8 points

sadly incorrect now that SJ dropped the night trains göteborg-umeå, despite significant protests

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14 points

cries in american

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There used to be one going directly from Northeastern France near Basel to South France Cerbere. It was the best one for going on vacation from Germany. They killed it because it wasnt profitable enough :/ Now you have to go through Paris which is a horrible stop to have to take.

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2 points

You don’t absolutely have to any more. There’s a Strasbourg-Lyon TGV link. Less than 4 hours.

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1 point

Thats only half the distance tho

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2 points

Sure, but you avoid the Paris hassle. And get there quicker too, because it’s TGVs all the way.

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11 points

Unpopular opinion. Night trains are never going to make a dent in air travel.

I’ve traveled right across Europe by train a bunch of times, so I’ve taken a good few night trains. In Germany, France, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark, Italy, a couple in the Balkans, even the Dogu Express right across Turkey. I’ve also taken day trains everywhere, of course.

Every single experience on a night train was something of an ordeal. That’s because a night train is basically a hostel on wheels. Staying the night in a tiny cabin in extreme proximity to strangers, without privacy, without access to a decent bathroom, this is just never going to be competitive with a short flight, no matter how cheap it is. For students, young people and more adventurous types, sure, it’s a great idea.

The only genuine solution to the plane problem is high-speed rail that is fully competitive on price.

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27 points

There is another answer: improve comfort in night trains.

Being able to eat in a restaurant in a country A, sleep in a comfy night train and eat a breakfast in a country B would be way more comfortable than a flight imho.

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5 points

The problem is that for most people over about 21, the biggest component of “comfort” is privacy. This is why people book hotels rather than hostels, even when the hostels are stylish and luxurious. Of course, night trains can be hotels-on-wheels too. The better ones have first-class cabins with private bathrooms. But this makes no sense from an environmental point of view. At this point you might as well take the short flight.

The best couchette-style service in Europe right now is the recently introduced Nightjet mini-cabins. Capsules, basically. This is a major step forward IMO but I still don’t see this tempting most normie travelers. And so expensive, too.

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2 points

Once they start rolling out more mini cabins I hope it will become more affordable. I think this can be the future to expand sleeper trains to a wider audience

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3 points

Lots of people would still use buses so there is a plus to keeping the trains

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