Like at some point won’t all of the profit be squeezed out of society?

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Technically, money is just a number on a ledger. Practically, there’s a finite amount of wealth in the solar system, much less on earth, significantly less accessible to humans and only a slim amount can be taken from the working class before people start starving. We already have little enough that the population is going to start contracting.

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Numbers in ledgers is a description of banking but money and banking are not the same thing.

Alternatively you could be describing money management, keeping a ledger of an account. Money management is the management of money but it is not money itself.

A collection of coins or bills is worth a certain amount and when you add or remove money the amount changes but you do not need to update any accounts.

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I’m making a distinction between money as a system of abstracting wealth and what wealth practically means. You’re making a highly disputable philosophical argument about the ontological nature of money instead of engaging with the germaine ideas. Simply put: I don’t consider a physical representation of money to be money in-and-of-itself; I consider each bill to be a part of a grand fragmented ledger. Furthermore, bitcoin is literally a public ledger for which there is no physical exchange of any representation of money. As a final example, the Yap isles famously have a monetary system that has physical Incarnations but no physical exchange among the people of the isles. It’s literally just a public ledger that exists in the minds of those who use it.

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So the limit is when everyone is dead and can’t purchase anything.

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Well I’d say it’s when the proletariat revolts, destroying the machine of exploitation, at which gathering further profit is impossible.

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No. Or at least not while inflation exists.

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Inflation or deflation always exist. The question is to what degree. I would revisit your understanding of this topic if possible.

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Inflation and deflation are mutually exclusive they can’t both exist at the same time.

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I didn’t contradict what you just typed despite what you think I intended.

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That’s not the point of inflation.

Our economy needs inflation to discourage saving and incentive investing.

If there was no inflation and 3% interest on savings, that’s all people would do.

So they make inflation more, and people lose purchasing power in a savings account, and instead invest, which pumps up stock prices for the whales who knows when to cash out.

On a smaller level it incentives people to spend as soon as they get it, because next year a $100 is worth less, so they spend while it’s worth more.

It’s a house of cards and when the wealthy owns the government there’s no one to hit the brakes on profits before the economy crashes and burns.

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Where do you think profit comes from? Spending is what makes profit happen.

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So they make inflation more, and people lose purchasing power in a savings account, and instead invest, which pumps up stock prices for the whales who knows when to cash out.

That’s… not really how that works. I mean inflation is there to keep people from saving when they could be investing their money, but that’s not to make money for the whales. Money sitting in a bank account doing nothing is bad (economically speaking) even when the owner of the money isn’t rich. More money moving is better for everyone.

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More money moving is better for everyone.

*Gestures broadly at “the economy” Biden kept bragging about

Lots of money is moving, it’s not good for the majority of us

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There’s an actual limit to profit, they are called profit margins and different industries have different profit margins.

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One way historic economic systems prevented total market capture by family dynasties was large families.

A big family dividing a concern will eventually sell it, break it up so it can be split.

With smaller families this division will take much longer, and with corporate personhood we are in a new weird self perpetual bureaucratic regimen

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There’s a limit with any particular set of tools and labor, but a universal limit doesn’t exist, no. Profit comes when you take money and use it in a more productive way than letting it sit under your mattress, and there’s no theoretical limit on productivity.

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This is a great take

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