Quotable quote from our very dear friends:

“Put differently: US philanthropy is still much, much, much more about rich guys like David Geffen slapping their names on concert halls than it is about donating to help people dying from malaria, or animals being tortured in factory farms, or preventing deaths from pandemics and out-of-control AI, to name a few EA-associated causes.”

Anyways, where does buying 20 million dollar castles/crypto fraud/rampant sexual exploitation/and shrimp welfare fit into all of this chief?

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I mean, I feel like the core problem with billionaire philanthropy isn’t that they aren’t effective enough at choosing causes; they’re supporting exactly what they want to, whether it’s saving lives and improving conditions in poor countries or making more classical music happen in rich countries. Rather the problem is that that much money can be thrown around by a single individual at all without public oversight. Like, EAs have a point in that philanthropic activities can mobilize a world-changing amount of resources. But then they do the libertarian thing of assuming that this is a necessary and inevitable fact of the world that must be worked around rather than considering the circumstances that created that ability and the degree to which the existence of billionaires requires African kids to die of malaria.

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they don’t think it’s a messy and inevitable fact of the world that certain people have outsize wealth. they think it fucking rules

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Getting Trump reelected should count as ‘billionaire philanthropy’.

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Geffen succeeded with a gift of $100 million to Lincoln Center and — perhaps more importantly — Lincoln Center paid $15 million to Fisher’s descendants so they would not sue. What that means is that the most prominent cultural organization in New York City lit $15 million on fire so that Geffen’s name would be on a concert hall.

No they did not lit them on fire, they payed of people.

In order to lit money on fire you need to buy something - like servers, electricity - and then just waste it. For example by running crypto schemes.

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Shared this on tamer social media site and a friend commented:

“That’s nonsense. The largest charities in the country are Feeding America, Good 360, St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital, United Way, Direct Relief, Salvation Army, Habitat for Humanity etc. etc. Now these may not satisfy the EA criteria of absolutely maximizing bang for the buck, but they are certainly mostly doing worthwhile things, as anyone counts that. Just the top 12 on this list amount to more than the total arts giving. The top arts organization on this list is #58, the Metropolitan Museum, with an income of $347M.”

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Salvation Army

they are certainly mostly doing worthwhile things

No. Nope. Not in the slightest. Crucially, they’re not even a charity! They don’t get any financial transparency scrutiny a charity gets! It’s a church! We don’t even know how to evaluate them because there’s literally no way to check what percentage of it is actually spent on charity. Their primary mission is to evangelise!

Also Chick’fil’A had to distance themselves from SA because of their egregious track record with gay rights. The Bigotry Chicken deemed them too bigoted.

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I actually have a shrimp torture farm. It brings me infinite joy. However its running costs are quite high and I require donations to keep it going

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Thank you. My wife is deathly allergic to shrimp, and I live by the motto

'If they send one of your loved ones to the emergency room, you send 10 of theirs to the deep fryer. ’

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It’s my pleasure!

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local note: we don’t need to “nsfw” tag links on the awful systems version of sneerclub any more

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There’s another version of sneerclub?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/ which seems also to be a bit active again

we started this one cos it originally shut down when Reddit pissed off most of the mods

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but muh “nice sneers for winners” ;_;

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they’re all winners!

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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it’s amusing debate.

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