As much as I agree that “civilized society” spouted by right-wingers is awfully damn far from it it seems kinda weird to act like anarchy would bring about a structured society.
All large groups who don’t want to end up falling into disparate groups led by the nearest psychopath and trauma-fueled meat-heads are going to need structure. Yes, capitalism and the right in general have failed but that doesn’t mean government is bad(or even difficult).
Anarchists aren’t against all government at all cost, but about having the bare minimum authority to do so. It is about not enshrining positions of power that those psychopaths then go on to seek and jerrymander in to place. It is about creating structures where no one is actually above others even if they’re deciding some things for others.
Like how most people trust a good tradesman to do their job and don’t dictate the trade to the tradesman (the ones that want a good job done anyways!). Everything requires a minimum of trust. Would you let a plumber in to your home you don’t trust? Why do we allow police and politicians that few trust?
That’s not anarchy, that’s just wanting a different system of government but expecting it to come with dramatic fanfare and the naive trust that good people will fill the power vacuums. It takes work, and that’s hard, but that’s the only way it’s going to work.
And you’re right, why do we allow it? We could vote for better people, obviously, but we don’t. Many people have been working on this problem for a long time.
We will always fall back to a government system of some kind. You can tear down the current one and pretend that the job will be done or you can actually work to make the stupid thing work.
Anarchism is a diverse political movement with many strains of thought and centuries of theory and attempts to implement it. Lemmy isn’t going to teach you nearly as much about it as Peter Kropotkin or any of the anarchist led organizations and movements out there. We aren’t naive idealists, we run organizations much more frequently than state communists actually. We fight fascists. We’re probably actually the healthiest far left movement when it comes to actually doing shit in America. You just don’t see it because it’s easy to miss that a good giveaway or a books to prisoners program or a bike co-op is anarchist.
To me this shows the problem with anarchism. It’s a reason anarchism is the somewhat acceptable protestation. In the mean time others are working on actually takeover use the No1 weapon avvailable, the state. /Anarchist in the street, ML in the sheets
The state is a corrupting force. It’s using the ring to fight Sauron. You can use it at times, but to seize it or accept its right to exist even temporarily gives room for those interested in power to seize your movement and they will never let go. Add in power corrupting even the good and you’ve got problems brewing.
We will be as the weeds. And we will fill the holes an unjust society leaves, cracking the concrete and overrunning their manicured lawns. A decentralized movement cannot be extinguished without removing the conditions that allow it to thrive. It cannot be subverted or taken over. It has its weaknesses, but I don’t trust the people’s stick to beat my neighbors either.
Making my point. That’s the think that’s creates smelly hippies . The opposite is what actually create socialist states. . The people’s stick will beat deadbeats and I’m happy with that. Liberalism is perhaps the ideology you are looking for?
Those aren’t anarchists, they’re synarchists.
The things they do like pooling resources require governing over. Governing.
Just do a simple fucking web search before you comment, this is embarassing.
I skimmed the article and it does seem to agree with the comment you responded to, no? Genuinely asking, I don’t know anything about this.
Anarchism is against hierarchy and for horizontal organization. Not disorder. In the comic these are anarchists (they are punk rock representations of 1800s anarchist philosophers Bakunin, Kropotkin and Proudhon) and they are acting according to the principles of anarchism, as anarchists do irl.
“Governing over something” is not the core of the issue that anarchism is against. It’s hierarchy. You can have a horizontally, democratically organized collective “govern over”, or in other words manage something. They will just do it through collective decision making with no rulers or subordinates.
OP here is trying to invent a new word for what they see in the comic because they don’t understand what anarchism means.
Yeah, it really is.
Let’s use your link, if that’s the level of discussion you’re on.
Anarchism is a political philosophy and movement that is against all forms of authority and seeks to abolish the institutions
Literally the first sentence.
These people demonstrate a community so large that pooling the resources will surely be written down. That or it won’t work like in the comic. Thus they’ll end up making the very same institutions they claim to abolish.
These are a minimally governed commune. Minarchy, synarchy, but not anarchy.
Quite embarrassing indeed.
that depends on which definition you go off of tho idk about their link but in the begginnings of the industrial age anarchism was redefined for propaganda use and didnt actually mean the complete eradication of government but instead the creation of syndicates and communes
Meanwhile actual anarchists: “I’m bigger than you so your loved ones are now my sex slaves”
I think they meant to ask “in an anarchic society, who enforces rights in the absence of the state?”
Also I’ll second that motion because I honestly know next to nothing about anarchy.
I love how you have the decency to frame it as a lack of understanding on your side. If you’re interested, I can look up entry level material about that question tomorrow or the day after for you.
My understanding is that anarchy isn’t about the lack of any authority, it’s the lack of unearned authority or unearned authoritative hierarchy. If the members of a community choose to use a democratic process to elect individuals to hold some specific authority for an amount of time that doesn’t stop being anarchy. It stops being anarchy when individuals capture or hold authority not granted by a dictate from the community. There are some issues with how a species like humanity could be governed under anarchy, but enforcing rights isn’t a necessary problem.
In an anarchist ideal society everyone would get along and it would be butterflies and gumdrops. But in reality the person with the bigger stick will simply take what they want and everyone will just say “hey stop that” and then get shot in the face. Naivety: political edition.
Those are fundamental theorists of anarchism. Who can be called more of an actual anarchist than the guy who coined the term in modern day and the prince who abdicated to join the Russian revolution under the name of anarchism and wrote the basic texts of modern anarchy?
Want to know who will stop the bigger person from doing that? Three people teamed up with clubs.