i like jay but they need to do something about the brewing aaron rodericks/jesse singal drama and actually ban him permanently if they want to keep the trust of trans users
I watched her talk and she is clearly not being honest. She uses a lot of buzzwords without any of the deeper philosophical underpinnings that would be necessary to truly create an open platform.
She plays like it will always be the way it is now which is frankly a lie being a for-profit entity with startup money from crypto bros.
Their terms of service will be changed when it suits them and already allow for their complete control of anything you share with them. Retaining your copyright means nothing if they can do whatever they want with what you share with them.
Finally we see the coupe de grace of binding arbitration in their terms. This is just another corporate attempt to be the next big social media thing. They will be hovering up all your personal details and selling it to marketers and AI bros before you can finishing signing on.
It’s a company, they need to make a profit. that’s fair enough when you sell an actual service or good, but in this care you just rent out a platform for people to talk from, financed by shareholders.
Renting out a speech platform for money from shareholders and being open and fair are not compatible with eachother. Even if she is genuine, she will have to respond to shareholders, she will need to make as much money as possible.
Shareholders are almost never a good thing, but for internet platforms, they’re the worst
I reject the idea that things like Mastadon, Bluesky, Lemmy, etc will ever actually be good things.
Elon turned Twitter alt right, but it was a shithole for years before he bought it. Twitter started being a bot infested outrage farm echo chamber with questionable moderation practices in like 2014.
Reddit was in some ways better before it went corporate, but in a lot of ways it was much worse. Like all things considered I’d rather be on a website that has a shitty mobile app and mods that sell access to corporations than a website where there are communities dedicated to softcore child porn and teenagers getting death threats over jackdaws.
Even if the fediverse fulfills its promise of not going down the corporate rabbit hole, they are still going to end up being a collection of inherently toxic echo chambers.
I reject that you lump a commercialized platform with decentralized ones. It kind of makes me think you are full of it to begin with.
What happened to Twitter after Muskrat can’t be compared to anything I have ever seen. It is a disservice to reality to try and play like Twitter was already like that. It is now purely a propaganda platform used to subvert democracy.
Reddit was way better before going corporate. You have to be a real bootlicker to think the corporation improved it. You cite some questionable reddits as proof corporate cleaned it up. I just see them commercializing the hard work of millions of people without compensation.
The Fediverse has already fulfilled it promise. While it may not be the final version of the future of decentralization, it is a great start.
I will never give my information or time to another corporate ran social media platform. They proved they are all abusive fucks aand are at war with the very users that allow their platforms to exist.
So, this is a lot.
I guess I’ll start with you calling Elon Musk “Muskrat”. This is like a middle school level insult. It makes your already immature argument seem even more immature. I’m straight up not sure if I’m arguing with a literal child at this point.
Two, Twitter was better before Musk bought it, but it wasn’t in any way good. A million different toxic trends either started or blew up on Twitter. The 2010s was filled with a million different dumbass pearl clutching moments that started with a bunch of terminally online Twitter users making a mountain out of a molehill. It was basically just a constant stream of outrage and sanctimonious nonsense.
That’s not to mention there was plenty of hate speech and attempts to undermine democracy, because the moderation team only really enforced the rules when it came to conservative talking points. You had NYTimes reporters tweeting out how white people should all kill themselves without consequences, while Twitter went around banning people for clowning on laid off journalists by telling them to “learn to code”. Donald Trump was banned, but the Supreme Leader of Iran was welcome with open arms.
Even then, Twitter played a huge role in the formation of the alt right because they were always at least six months too late when it came to banning anyone. The culture war doesn’t get off the ground if Twitter just blacklists a bunch of straight up Russian propaganda websites and banhammers Milo. They also were extremely late to the party when it came to banning those ISIS recruitment videos, which is even more inexcusable.
I reject the idea that reddit was ever really that good. It was better in some ways, but a lot of the most toxic reddit moments happened before it went corporate. Off the top of my head:
- The softcore child porn
- The stalker pictures of women
- The time they had a huge thread where they all collectively gained sympathy to rapists
- The “seduction” subreddits that basically attempted to convince naive young men that “seduction” meant putting women into a situation where they consented due to extreme social pressures.
- The time they identified the wrong person as the Boston bomber
The non toxic content was extremely hit or miss. You’d get more in depth discussion, but it would be between a ton of extremely myopic pseudo intellectual posts. Basically half of reddit was something like:
- Religion bad, but only Christianity
- I am euphoric because my atheism and intelligence enlightens me
- Republicans bad
- I have literal superpowers now that I stopped masturbating
- Some half true historical fact that gets repeated a million different times because it fits everyone’s worldview
- Keanu Reeves
- Rage comics
- DAE hate sportsball ???
Finally, a huge portion of the reason reddit went downhill was the unpaid mods. They were often unwell individuals who used their position to push progressive politics. There was a good five years where basically every sub over a certain size was essentially a progressive politics sub, because they were all modded by the same people who saw the users as a captive audience.
Social media just isn’t a good place for unique content or discourse. That’s not gonna change no matter who the owner is.
That was a lot. Just kidding, you basically confirmed everything I said, you just took your time doing it. I find it funny you think insulting poor Elon would somehow detract from what I said.
Let me break it down for you. Elon is a Nepo baby manchild sexually assaulting conman. The real immaturity is people who are boot lickers buying into his propaganda that he knows more about manufacturing than anyone else.
This is of course bullshit as the thing he knows the most about us fucking his own employees to produce twelve, that we know of, crotch goblins that he does not take care of. Not only is he a shit dad he has already disowned one of his children confirming the garbage human he is.
He is not really CEO of two companies, this is a fantasy as it is not humanly possible. He does not really have involvement in five other businesses, he doesn’t even have the time to be two CEO at once. He does not care of his children. He does spend a lot of time voicing his shit opinions on Twatter, doing drugs, and playing video games. These are the things we can confirm he does
So please tell me I am child because I recognize he is a charlatan.
Bluesky is already coming apart. My partner uses it and last night she got a video of a person being shot in her feed. No warning. No label. Just blam!
Their influx of new users don’t all want to participate in labeling and moderation and they don’t seem to be able to handle it.
Why would the users participate in moderating? That’s the job of the commercial platform holder.
As long as that philosophy doesn’t reach FOSS philosophy, that’s fine. Imagine if Fediverse social media suddenly didn’t really want to “enshitify” their platforms, but included trackers and ads?
See that’s kind of the thing though, Ads is a broad spectrum. We can think of it as small things like the old google one blue line of text off to the side in the old days, the huge popups that force you to view them etc…
Bottom line there’s a scale there.
|few and easy to ignore] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Many and forces you to pay attention to them before you can reach what you came for]
and the bottom line is, far left on that spectrum, is negligable profit. If you can tune out the ads easily and just focus on the content you want… that means the advertisers aren’t getting new sales/visits etc… that they want. Which means, they will pay very little for them.
Point is, the hypothetical hope of “well when their investors ask them to make it profitable, they will just put a tiny banner in the far corner”, is a no go.
Not to mention the algorithms that lock your attention to the ad. YouTube does this a lot. I just watch all the commercial, because it knows well (through diffing and other techniques) what I will watch completely. I guess I’ll get used to it. I have also been clicking more on ads around the webpages, but I don’t think this is to my liking. The technology is just getting better. This is really bad, but it’s beyond salvation right now. I believe all we can do is mitigate the effects of ads on the Internet. I’m glad we have alternatives.
