And no, I’m not saying don’t vote; I’m saying that there comes a point when voting isn’t going to solve the problem
“dOnT cArE, nOt VoTiNg”
-hexbear
As a leftist I find tankies an absolute fucking disgrace. Dunno if it’s the fact that I’m middle aged and Finnish, so not only do I know a lot of people who had to escape the Soviet Union but I’ve visited it, and I had an entire branch of my family tree genocided by the Soviets, but I just can’t fathom how somebody can be so stupid as to idolize someone like fucking Stalin (or Mao or whichever incompetent psycho a particular tankie loves)
Well, you see, every atrocity committed by Stalin or Mao was justified and it’s only CIA propaganda that makes you think otherwise. /s
MFW I realize genocide denialism follows the Narcissist’s prayer
It didn’t happen, and if it did it wasn’t that bad, and if it was it’s not that big a deal, and if it is it wasn’t (insert genocidal party)'s fault, and if it was they didn’t mean it, and if they did the victims deserved it.
Basically it is a cult mentality. And dogmatically placing ideology over reality. Ideology puts things in nice clean boxes that people think they find easy to understand.
The problem with ideology is its ideal. But not real. It’s why I don’t dogmatically identify as anything ideologically. Pragmatically I’m anarcho communist/ true or left libertarian. It’s where my beliefs lay but it doesn’t define or restrict them.
ML often just lack critical thinking skills. And are as hypocritical as the liberals they curse. But they don’t do it because it’s logical or based in fact. They do it to belong to a group and feel superior. Just like those they despise.
Funny story. Couple days ago I was commenting on a thread in a community. I didn’t even pay attention to where the community was hosted. (Lemmy.ml lol) But people were complaining about the West, and how it is completely fascist. And how only the West does horrible things like genocide etc. To which I replied 'Russia and China would like to have a word with you". Predictably they screeeed that they “aren’t Marxist Leninist”. Which I pointed out that they had been. And that their evolution was representative of ML. That any groups, given absolute power. Would rather destroyed their societies than relinquish it. Whether they’re capitalist or ML. And stated that no ML government will achieve communism, or even remain socialist. Bam perma ban for “horse shoe theory” bullshit. That’s when I realized the server the community was on and broke out laughing. I take the band as a badge of honor. Previously I had been banned from the same Community for a month. The made up reason for that one was genocide denial. Because I had the audacity to admonish people for conflating actual genocide with enabling genocide. I didn’t deny it. But as I said. ML are whiny hypocrites. Who can’t argue their own positions. And look for any petty out they can find.
Anyone defending genocide isnt a leftist, not a liberal, a “tankie” or anything else.
They’re a fascist who doesn’t want to be called a fascist.
It’s not like people are running around using NK as a straw puppet for why democracy is bad, we all agree they’re just lying about their governmental system.
Anyone defending genocide isnt a leftist, not a liberal, a “tankie” or anything else.
They’re a fascist who doesn’t want to be called a fascist.
Eh, although I agree in principle, facism isn’t a catch-all term for all authoritarian ideologies. Fascism is essentially corporatist (“corporation” in the poli sci sense, not “ruled by private corporations”) authoritarian capitalism with a big focus on private enterprise, completely against eg. welfare systems or anything like that (because weak people doesn’t deserve to be supported, and if anything need to be killed), highly misogynistic, etc. etc. For example the NSDAP privatized a lot of previously public enterprises, which doesn’t seem to be something a lot of people realize.
While tankies are authoritarian, they’re still communists or socialists or whatever.
They’re a fascist who doesn’t want to be called a fascist.
I see you have met the auth-“left”.
Yes it is. Industrialization helps everyone who implements it. It has nothing to do with the political ideology. Industrialization is good. The funny thing about you posting that. Is that China is not Marxist leninist or socialist anymore in any meaningful way. There is a new bourgeois-xi class oppressing the proletariat. And frittering away all their hard work on get rich quick schemes for him and his friends before everything implodes.
Do you feel that one isolated graph justifies everything Mao did though? Like, 15 – 55 million people died in the Great Leap Forward, some 20 – 30 million died due to the Four Pests campaign, and so on and so on, but life expectancy got better so that’s OK? How much of that is even Mao’s doing? He kicked the bucket in the mid 70’s after all
You won’t according to their wishes and they won’t according to yours?
Not American, not even a western person, so my comment may not be relevant or welcome.
I think a part of it is bitterness(against the mainstream for letting it get to the current state) and the hope that the people facing the issues instead of a temporary 4 year delay would lead to actual changes.
Personally, I think that people should vote as long as they can safely do so.
Tho, the presidential elections seem weird for me as I’m from a parliamentary system.
If the fix was already in . . . if “voting didn’t matter” then conservatives wouldn’t be working so hard to suppress it.
You don’t think Biden will step down if he loses the election?
A) You think this post is specifically about US politics?
B) Where the fuck did I say anything of the sort you strawmanning cabbage?
Edit: the cabbage turned out to be me
A) Most everyone is going to interpret this in the context of U.S. politics given that we’re a superpower on the brink of fascist accelerationism pending the results of an election 120 days away. You bring up Finland and Russia elsewhere in the thread, but Finnish elections already happened last month and I really don’t hear anyone else talking about Russia’s upcoming gubernatorial and parliamentary elections coming up in September right now.
B) I was being tongue-in-cheek about the fact that the only party that could logically “refuse to step down” is the incumbent, which in the context of U.S. politics would be Biden. It was a joke, don’t be a baby.
Tl;Dr: OP is a troll who posts vague memes and then scolds anyone who attempts to interpret or joke about them.
TL;DR: watch as I jump from conclusion to conclusion
Honestly I didn’t even realize you were joking because it’s really hard to tell jokes like that apart from actual idiotic arguments. I’ve been pretty pissed the whole day because reasons so I just assumed the worst and got annoyed.
Edit: Also, for me the feeling of this meme is more inspired by the recent EU Parliament election and the ongoing French election, although our local extremist right-wing government doesn’t help. We have eg. a literal pedophile neo-Nazi as a minister, our Speaker of the Parliament – who is one of the mass murderer Breivik’s idols by the way – has fantasized about murdering a gay man on his blog, etc. etc. and they’re now ignoring the constitution and international treaties when passing an anti-immigration law, and I wouldn’t put doing an Orbán past this bunch.
Here in America we’re choosing between being close to this point or past it.
Vote.
Do you believe we are at or past that point?
Who’s “we”?
We Finns? No.
We Americans? Maybe? Getting close at least.
We Russians? Yes.
I don’t think Americans really understand what January 6th was. And what the actual failure to hold anyone accountable four years later means.
We spend decades learning about similar events in school, but when they actually happen we just shrug and keep going.
people don’t want to imagine themselves living in a dystopian hellhole, so they adamantly deny that it’ll ever, ever happen in this country.
as it’s happening right in front of their face
I think a lot of people simply don’t care; even if they didn’t vote for the Face-Eating Leopard Party, they think they’re safe because the leopards have only eaten the faces of people they don’t really personally know or ultimately care all that much about. A generic liberal/centrist may not be an outright 'phobe or racist, but that’s about the extent of their convictions.
When the leopards start eating the faces of LGBT+ people they’ll go “oh dear this is terrible” when they read about it in the news, maybe make a social media post, feel bad for a while, and then move on with their day.
