Yeah no. Fuck the democrats sponsoring a genocide.
Yeah, fuck the Dems. Still doesn’t absolve any voter who thought that “More funds for the genocide + start a few others” was a good alternative.
I have zero shame voting third party but do continue to attempt to shame voters for voting wrong and see how that works for you.
“I don’t understand why minorities who are going to get the jackboot are so mad at me for welcoming the jackboot :((((((”
It’s truly inexplicable.
Agree to disagree. Everyone has their priorities. Trump isn’t going to help Gaza either but will hurt Ukraine and immigrants and other of his enemies. I’m not shaming you, just trying to make you understand that the world is not a black and white place. Choices have consequences and we all live with compromise. Those who refuse to compromise are not helpful either magats or pure idealists like you. Both have a warped sense of the world. I’m not shaming you, just telling how it is. If that shames you then look more inside
I will never get these people struggling to understand the lesser evil rationale. Maybe it’s just on a scale and timeline that is for some too difficult to really internalize.
I don’t think they’re struggling to understand it. They become quite excellent at understanding it once it turns to anything they support. China, Russia, Hamas, the Houthis, all the lesser evil. But for ‘some reason’ any time non-authoritarian regimes are involved, they become determined to ensure that the world knows that they’re willing to kill every last minority for their ‘principles’.
Maybe voting for lesser evil now would create even greater evil in the future.
Some are young and don’t really remember much of his last presidency, so it couldn’t be that bad.
Some are staunch idealists who think voting lesser evil is the same as enthusiastic support.
Some are secret accelerationists who want things to get worse because they think the proletariat will spontaneously rise up if they’re desperate enough.
Some are bad faith actors trying to divide the left.
Some unironically think that both are equally bad.
Yeah, anybody who decided to set aside the genocide and vote for Kamala anyway should already have a very clear understanding of how Trump voters can dislike him in many ways but still vote for him.
Significantly less comprehensible and more relevant to this conversation is the idea that Harris was bad on Gaza; therefore, Trump, who was even worse on Gaza, should be elected.
No, fuck assholes who just killed America and Palestinians while using Palestinians as a prop. But yeah great job pretending to care about Palestinians a single fucking iota, they are in such a great spot due to your completely non-bullshit concern.
How those kids in cages doing under biden? All that asshole did was continue trumps policies but go offfffff fucking liberal
If you cared about Palestinians even a tiny amount you would have never ever been advocating against the only option that would’ve limited their suffering. So let’s admit to your fraudulency, lIbErTaRiAn
Pug its only been a month
Go back to sleep and enjoy the last month of Biden doing fuck all about any of the core problems that Trump is about to expand a thousand times.
This meme even contradicts itself. If its already known there’s a limit to reason, why didn’t the Democrats utilize this like the Republicans did? Obama lied about a ton of crap to get votes and everyone was still happy. All of a sudden the DNC has moral compass that prevents them from properly pandering to voters but full send genocide is worth losing all three branches of the federal government over.
This meme even contradicts itself. If its already known there’s a limit to reason, why didn’t the Democrats utilize this like the Republicans did?
Because the Dems are fucking morons. This isn’t an excuse for the Dems. This is a reminder that voters are at fault too, and that allowing fascism is not magically okay just because the Dems are spineless gutless weasels.
Do people not realize that without legislative backing the President’s powers to make long term and lasting change are extremely limited and nil? Like how he pursued student loan relief and got blocked by the Supreme Court?
Biden has never had a true majority in Congress, the senate was always 50/50 at best and even then two of those were DINOs with one of them fully switching to GOP in the last year. Scream all you want about Biden not doing anything but there really isn’t anything else he can’t legally do without Congress or Supreme Court just stopping his plan before it can even be publicly known. You want to see change with an actual leftist government in the US? Then fucking vote. Not just every 4 years in Presidential elections. but in midterms and special elections too. Find out who your state representatives are and vote in those elections too. If you don’t know who represents you from the local level of city council all the way up to US House and Senate then you’ve really got no room to criticize the DNC for being paralyzed in not wanting to upset the voters they actually can get to turn out to the polls.
No.
If you must vote and vote for the “correct” party then you don’t have a democracy. Either we exercised our democratic responsibilities this year or we lost our democracy a decade ago and we’re just now finding out about it.
Either way, lesser evil voting is not a democratic ideal.
If you must vote and vote for the “correct” party then you don’t have a democracy.
“Democracy is when I like the choices my fellow citizens make, and if I don’t like it, it’s not democracy”
Holy fucking shit. This is “Democracy is when GOOD, and non-democracy is when BAD” level reasoning.
“If my practical choices are reduced by the preferences of my fellow citizens, it’s not real democracy”
Go on, tell me about how it’s only democracy if your preferred candidate is within striking distance of victory.
lesser evil voting is not a democratic ideal.
Neither is staying home and not voting at all.
If you can’t abstain then you don’t have a democracy. (Yes Australia i’m looking at you) You have a system of coerced consent where the political parties wouldn’t even know how to change, but that’s okay because there’s no incentive to change in such a system either.
It’s literally the fastest way to get Party AB instead of Party A and Party B.
Great you started with the conclusion that not voting is fine and then tried to find a way to justify it. You failed.
Look up what “ideal” means, and note that it doesn’t mean “only option.”
You specifically chose the word. I am responding to that. And to that end: Not participating in an election is NOT an ideal way to have a democracy. In fact- it flies is the face of it.
Then people could abstain by writing in someone else. Not voting is a serious problem.
(TLDR the first two paragraphs this turned to a novel of a rant)
this is stupid as fuck. no. it’s on the dems. the reason they lost is because they don’t mind losing. they’re corporate cunts anyway, if they’re not in power they’ll still be comfortable so why even pretend to challenge the status quo and possibly scare away your bribers?
fuck no. the american people are stupid, yes, but it’s not like that’s genetic. they’ve been undereducated, overworked, constantly distracted and endlessly bombarded with propaganda for decades at this point.
politicians are allowed to work for companies they regulate and regulate companies they used to work for. they’re allowed to be bribed legally as long as you call it lobbying and don’t have “I will pass this law in exchange for this money” in writing. they’re allowed to lie to the public without consequence.
the media is allowed to lie without consequence even when it’s provable that they know they’re lying. every day for years. lie. lie. lie.
the dumbest fucks alive are allowed to homeschooled their children and make sure their kids are at least as dumb.
not that schools are perfect. they are allowed to push religion and politics over science. meanwhile churches are allowed to give political sermons and still keep tax exempt status (technically not but in practice they are).
even with all this brainwashing it’s not like people are allowed to think for themselves for a minute let alone research shit and stay on top of political issues. wages are ass and lots of people have to work multiple jobs. even if they don’t companies aren’t mandated to have PTO, not even for federal holidays. they’re not mandated to raise wages either, even though rent always keeps rising.
just in case some people still might feel a bit too comfortable most are also blessed with crushing debt for the garbage education they got and the healthcare industry is just waiting for the chance to fuck them over if they ever dare get sick, let alone have an accident. you’re not allowed to think, you’re not allowed to breathe. work. crash. consume to feel barely good enough to keep working.
and on top of all of that, even if you manage to get through all that hurdle… voting is a privilege, not a right. especially if you’re likely to vote blue, the system is in place to make your chances to vote as low as possible.
and even then, you have the electoral college and the senate to make sure a bunch of rock and dirt has as much say as millions of people on one side. which leaves tons of people to think why even bother?
so with all that, when everything is bad, and everyone is lying, as one of only two eligible parties you can’t just throw your hands up and say “why aren’t people more educated?” IT’S YOUR FUCKING JOB! people are hurting and one side is saying “hey I know everything sucks and you don’t know how anything works so here’s an easy answer: it’s black and brown people” and the other side instead of correcting THAT, they’re trying to correct THE PEOPLE and their justified feelings about how everything sucks and say “nah things are good actually”… fuck the democratic party.
PROTIP: Dems being spineless, brainless cretins does NOT absolve anyone who said that sitting by and letting fascists take over the country was preferable! And yes, you CAN blame the voters for that!
The voters did not magically come to the ‘correct’ decision to sit this out by the spirit of democracy whispering in their ear; they did so because they believed that fascism won’t be ‘that bad’ to them, personally! And no amount of blaming Dems for being gutless corporate weasels can change that being an accomplice to deliberately driving fascists deeper into power is not a forgivable offense!
PROTIP: Dems being spineless, brainless cretins does NOT absolve anyone who said that sitting by and letting fascists take over the country was preferable! And yes, you CAN blame the voters for that!
I realize how old-man-ish this will sound (although in my defense I am literally becoming an old man) but there’s a widespread lack of personal accountability these days. Everything must always be someone else’s fault.
There is something wrong and I’m not sure it’s personal accountability. It may be my mental illness or just my antisocial behavior but I’ve never been able to ignore the broader issues with the world.
I’m not saying mental illness has distorted reality or something. I’m saying because I don’t function like everyone else everything seems inadequate for me.
I’m also not saying it’s good to be antisocial I’m saying I feel severe anxiety and dread after the simplest of human interaction and it exceedingly more difficult to manage as I get older. So there is no group think I am comfortable subscribing to because the group freaks me the fuck out.
What ever the cause I have this lense that seems to just be non-existent for most people. There could be a economic aspect to it but I do pretty well comparatively. The only difference between someone my age and myself is I might have less of a savings but my income is acceptable. I don’t have family support but I think generational wealth is few and far between. That could be wrong if you’re accounting for my demographic but it could also be skewed depending on where you live.
All this to say, some people are completely unconcerned with the condition of society. They are happy pretending everyone is like themselves where what is happening in government or around the world will never effect them personally. I do not share this view. Maybe it’s because I don’t have the dopamine to sustain the positive feelings that Bob Marleys “don’t worry, be happy” song represents but if we look at this election, they need my lense and their perspective can be thrown in the ocean.
This may or may not be relevant in your case, but one of the key goals of Russian propaganda is to create a widespread sense of apathy in the population: https://jordanrussiacenter.org/blog/propaganda-political-apathy-and-authoritarianism-in-russia
