saw this posted by @sailor_sega_saturn at https://awful.systems/comment/3871697

op has a simple question:

Why are trans women so intellectually successful? They seem to be overrepresented 5-100x in eg cybersecurity twitter, mathy AI alignment, non-scam crypto twitter, math PhD programs, etc.

and a skull shaped answer:

My theory is that too much testosterone makes you dumber, particularly during adolescence. You need a little for your cells & organs to work, but past a certain point it does more harm than good (for intelligence specifically — motivation & happiness etc aside). Apparently this is not a new theory and people have posited a U-shaped curve for how testosterone affects IQ. The key (sad) claim is that the vast majority of men are on the too-much-T side of the curve. Maybe trans women get the best of both worlds intellectually — a male skull with female chemistry.

our researcher sets about fending off possible objections:

Why didn’t evolution give females big heads if it would make them all geniuses? Another anecdote. My sister has a big head. She was valedictorian in high school I think. She hit her head one day in middle school during gym class by running into a wall. She also fell off a bike and hit her head in high school. I have never hit my head and I think the main reason is that my arms are strong enough to catch myself. So maybe the big headed women would-be-ancestors fell and hit their heads.

cites chatgpt for this:

Do trans men get the worst of both worlds intellectually — female skulls and male chemistry? Yes.

demonstrates the exceptional explanatory power of his hypothesis:

Why are really good tech founders so rare? You have to have very high power-seeking/initiative (T) and very high IQ. This is an incredibly rare combination because the testosterone murders your IQ. You have to be a genius before puberty hits. Helps if your brain/head is giant. Look at eg Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos.

describes the potential impact of his research:

I suspect that some simple electrical stimulation in the womb could make infant females’ skulls bigger and result in lots of genius women. If they don’t fall off their bikes and hit their heads.

all time great footnotes:

Thought of some more potential evidence. The smartest cis women I’ve known almost all had lack of butt (women’s most visible muscle – so low testosterone?)

Later that day: i asked my sister. She said all her smart friends (men and women) lack butts too! She and I both have the butt, so we are speaking against our own kind here.

a commenter has an epistemically rigorous counterpoint:

I don’t understand why you need to invoke testosterone. Transgender brain is special, for example, transgender women have immunity to visual illusions.

another commenter objects to that, based on a deep dive into the literature:

Can you source this claim? I’ve never heard it and GPT-4 says it has no scientific basis.

“well admittedly I made it up, but it seems plausible”

Whoops, it’s really looks like I imagined this claim to be backed more than by one SSC post. In my defense I say that this poll covered really existing thing like abnormal illusions processing in schizophrenics (see “Systematic review of visual illusions schizophrenia” Costa et al., 2023) and I think it’s overall plausible.

archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20240706165407/https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/BBCtWtg44Yeh6fire/is-being-a-trans-woman-or-just-low-t-20-iq

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His initial premise is so damned stupid that there’s probably nothing to salvage so I’m not reading it. He gives zero credence to the idea that whatever metric he grabbed for men should be a linear correlation to IQ might… not be? Then ploughs on with an explanation that allows him to do Trans discourse. Fuck off with that.

Here’s an alternate theory: you only know about out trans folks. Trans folks will only come out if they think they’re likely to not be beaten to death. Therefore you will see more trans folks at IT jobs and fewer at construction sites, because IT workers sit in chairs all day and many couldn’t beat someone to death even if they tried. Plus having lots of money helps insulate you from the risk of ending up living on the fucking street. Seriously if this guy just thought about it for like ten seconds he’d realize his data was skewed.

Also, anyone who’s ever experienced being a teenage boy probably understands exactly how dumb Testosterone makes you firsthand, complete with specific stories.

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Reminds me of that dude who’s obsessed with opera’s fuck huge head and is convinced that she’s a modern day Yakub because of it.

https://pumpkinperson.com/2018/08/26/independent-confirmation-of-oprahs-head-size/

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That image may be one of the funniest things I’ve read in my entire life

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This brings to mind my favourite podcast about black conspiracy theories: My Momma Told Me. They discuss Yakub and Oprah in equal measure.

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Yakub as in the evil scientist who created the white devil in the Nation Of Islam mythology?

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12 points

The very same!

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By the way, are there any archive services besides internet archive? They’ve excluded this domain and idk how I feel about giving this dude direct traffic

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archive.ph is usually my go-to (and I’m hoping they don’t secretly suck). here’s their archive for that page

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(and I’m hoping they don’t secretly suck)

relatable mood

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oh wow. is this the Koanic Soul stuff or a different variety of caliper madness?

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I think it’s closer to the arr blockedandreported brand of race science. I took a glance at Koanic soul and he seems spiritually aroused by whitness, seems a lil different.

Y’know, kind of like a Caroline Ellison type where they’re definitely and severely into scientific racism, but less venomous than a blue check.

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i wonder if the difference is variety of mallard, or which pond they’re swimming in today

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this is so fucking rational

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my new light novel: that time I biohacked myself to become smarter by taking testosterone suppressants and woke up the next day as a doomed villainess

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I Left My Blogger’s Life To Become An S-Rank Rationalist Cult Leader In A Bay Area Group House

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Honestly that’s an edit distance of like 2 from too many trashy harem isekai

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inorite, it’s legit amazing

like there’s 2 mangas about being a receptionist in a magical guild

“you can be anything you want in another world, why not settle for being an office lady like IRL”

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I Was Fired From My Company But It Turned Out I Was Destined To Prevent The Robot Apocalypse With My Over 9000 IQ

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non-scam crypto twitter

Mythical Places and How to Find Them

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it’s an empty paper bag left in an empty parking garage

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places on twitter you had no idea about because they don’t exist

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This is all highly speculative. I know near-zero about biology, chemistry, or physiology.

epistemic status: my ass

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Well he does say his ass is small and therefore he is dumb

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it’s the opposite, he says his ass being big indicates he is stupid. zero points to you for scientific rigor my friend

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Does an outrageously big ass allow you to pull more outrageous bullshit claims out of if?

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Sorry, all my brain went to my ass

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AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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