Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts

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I was almost convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.

It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken. With steam working so well on Linux now, broken discord streaming without actual working audio share was one of the last things that posed a hurdle for gamers ditching Windows.

(In the meantime, thank you Vesktop for your service <3)

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I saw something from a discord dev (can’t find it, so grain of salt) about how there was interest recently to do it, but they’d have to work on other stuff that affected everyone first, and they’d probably get it done by q4 2024, guess they were right.

I think before then the whole linux graphics and audio space hadn’t really stabilized enough for them to be interested.

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29 points

convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.

Heh. There’s a ticket with Splunk. It’s a simple request: do the 30 sec of work to let us install your software rpm from a proper yum repo.

They can’t figure out how.

They won’t ask.

It’s 12 years old now.

The ticket for them to do a trivial exercise with tools twice as old, is now a tween. It can ride the bus on its own. I think it can get a Facebook account. Maybe.

We should get one for it.

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6 points

It was the same with Zoom but AFAIK they’re finally working on it now.

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4 points

The Zoom flatpak works fine. Haven’t tried native.

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who in their sane mind uses zoom on their private device. holy molly

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2 points

Is there really? Long time splunk admin, I would love to see this

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28 points

It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken.

Tech companies are fully capable of being lazy for free. Fixing this takes dev time from other work that brings Discord money so doing this costs them, especially considering that Linux userbase must be rather tiny. 99% of software companies don’t give a shit about making quality product and will always try their hardest to do as little work as possible while making as much money as possible. If fixing a bug will cost them more than potential profits from making it work then they won’t fix it.

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You’re right of course, it’s definitely down to simple lack of incentive, rather than some kind of conspiracy. But the conspiracy was a fun shower thought! :)

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10 points

You give them too much credit. It’s just shitty, that’s it.

Discord is pretty much broken on all platform. It always was. There’s just no real alternative unfortunately.

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11 points

“Don’t attribute to malice what is explained by incompetence”

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1 point

Lets create an alternative.

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There is an alternative people have used before discord came, it is called teamspeak. Is still around as well, but works more like a federated system since everyone has to set up and host their own server for people to use.

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3 points

If Twitter is any indication, Discord would have to fuck up big, and for a long time for people to switch.

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1 point

I’m all for it tho I have no idea how to grab the folk’s attention

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I like how Vesktop updates in the background. Discord proper has to close, download the .deb, install, and relaunch.

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And yes, vesktop did it first, but discord’s version is quite a bit more polished

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30 points

Finally I can go back to having people at 200% 😍

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Vesktop still allows you to choose a single audio output, Discord’s implementation seems to share system audio of all running apps, and doesn’t let you choose the specific application.

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As far as I’m aware, Vesktop also allows you to share at 60fps, not just at 720, but up to 1440 at no charge. Can’t wait for Vesktop to continue being ahead of the curve

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Wait how? Does it only share with other vesktop users?

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Can confirm! I screen share all the tile and I take advantage of this. Love Vesktop ✨

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63 points

Fuck Discord! 🙂

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Sadly there’s no alternative.

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4 points

matrix, xmpp

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12 points

no alternative that’s as user-friendly and feature-complete

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I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither

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Zulip has been around for a loooong time. It integrates well with Jitsi, and is fully self-hostable.

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2 points

Revolt looks pretty good despite its lack of a large user base

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3 points

No screen share and there seems to be a reluctance to add/address requests for it. They add that and I can get my whole community to switch. Until then it’s not happening.

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3 points

Why?

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33 points

Centralized social media. Poison of the masses. If they control the pullpit, they control the congregation. Tale as old as time.

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It’s reach not centralization

You’d think Lemmy would’ve taught you that by now

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23 points

The founder’s shady history with OpenFeint, their entire privacy policy and shit like this, take your pick. Wikipedia also has an entire section dedicated to Discord’s controversies. No matter how you look at it, Discord has a great many shortcomings.

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i agree with your points but wanted to mention that binding arbitration is bullshittery that most large companies do by default these days. sign a cell phone contract, streaming/cable service, utility bill, whatever. there’s probably an arbitration clause right in the fine print.

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These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.

I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.

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Oh my fuck, finally. Good lord Discord, only took you eons to get that working with Wayland after you broke it.

I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.

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Matrix doesn’t?

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I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.

There’s plenty of free alternatives that works much better than discord

https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/

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Not if I want calling, video chat, screen sharing and role based chat rooms all in the same place. I’ve explored this, but it just isn’t feature complete enough at the moment. I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user and Matrix just doesn’t manage it.

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Calls and video chats works just fine in matrix and client like element allow you to integrate other services if you don’t like the default ones.

I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user

You sound a lot like someone who use windows. We are on a linux sub.

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Matrix does not have the features of Discord. It’s far closer to a Telegram alternative. It doesn’t even have voice channels, a very basic requirement for a Discord alternative.

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40 points

When do they stop selling user data? Next patch?

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they say they dont sell any user data, although i have my doubts about that

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It doesn’t really matter if they do or don’t. What matters is that they can change their TOS at any time, they keep an archive of all historical data, and you will have pretty much no recourse no matter what they decide to do with it in the future.

Who knows what will happen to Discord in five or ten years?

They might get bought by a narcissistic billionaire.

They might sell all their data to Google for training AI.

They might go bankrupt and sell off their assets to the highest bidder.

They might have an IPO and begin the usual value extraction at the expense of their users.

I know, I know…crazy ideas, right? When has anything like that ever happened?!

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i think you’re totally right, i just dont like people saying theyre doing it right now.

Frankly i think we should use matrix instead, but it just isnt good enough yet

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all of this is true with literally any company.

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They also recently implemented E2EE for calls.

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1 point

A bear doesn’t tell you it shits in the woods.

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7 points

it would if itd get sued by forest conservation groups if it didnt admit it

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10 points

Just use spacebar instead

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Spacebar doesn’t even do voice calls does it? Let alone screen share

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Yea Its not perfect, but hopefully on the way

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Nice! Thank you

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