Summary
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau opposed any deal letting Russia keep Ukrainian land, saying it would encourage other countries to break international rules.
Speaking to a NATO meeting, he highlighted Canada’s $19.5 billion aid to Ukraine and stressed the need to defend global stability.
Trudeau defended his plan to raise military spending to 2% of GDP by 2032 after criticism of Canada’s low defense funding.
He warned against isolating Ukraine, saying continued support is crucial to stop further global conflicts.
If Russia is permitted to annex any part of Ukraine it sends the message that they can attack any country and eventually take over parts of it.
If the world doesn’t stop Russia from taking Ukraine, Russia isn’t going to stop once they’ve taken Ukraine.
Exactly! I don’t know why appeasement is even discussed with any seriousness. We’ve all seen this before.
Previously on: “World History”
England: “Fine, fine, you can have, like, Poland a slice of Czechoslovakia, but then chill out!”
Narrator: “He did not ‘chill out’.”
(Edited for accuracy. Thanks!)
The United Kingdom, along with France, ceded Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland, not Poland, to Hitler’s Germany; in fact, it was the Nazi regime’s invasion of Poland the following year that prompted France and the United Kingdom to declare war.
Can’t understand why you’re being downvoted. This is quite literally the collective assessment of NATO.
2/3rds of Ukrainians want the same. They just need the help to resist the Russian invasion.
Poll data was part of Perun’s latest video on the latest developments of the war and what the turning point will be:
https://youtu.be/vf2vSoWsmgI (0:50:38)
getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you’re not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you’re gonna have a few deluded souls who’ve allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you’re also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i’d estimate there’s around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so “should we retain our boundaries when this is over” is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives
With the war this long, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, “Let’s just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it’s worth the lives saved.”
I’ve been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.
I’m not saying it’s right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don’t agree with not giving an inch to Russia.
I assume the other 3rd are “Ukrainian” in the way that they’ve been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine
Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.
Hell, 45 became 47
War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn’t oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn’t affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.
For one reason: because there are selfish people who only care about themselves and today, not others and not tomorrow.
Imagine being selfish, and just thinking that if the war ended now, your own quality of life will immediately improve, to hell with others whose homes are now Russian territory.
War is hell. They have made many sacrifices. There is some part of the population that would like for the war to end and defacto (not dejure) give up Crimea and donbass in return for NATO protection. Unfortunately that outcome is very much not possible unless they get more help from the west. Russia’s current goal is annexation of all of Ukraine.
1/3 are probably working class people who are aware that their conditions under the ukrainian government or russian government will be the same and that war will only bring them more misery.
Raise the military spend now. Stop kicking the can. We’ve helped, sure, but we need to do more.
Agree 100% we can’t rely on our rich bi-polar brother in the methlab of a house next door to protect us anymore.
You need protection from greedy politicians and the military industry sucking in public money and fueling wars.
Finland has a pretty absurdly strong military. It really is a waste of money. But it has this military because it shares a border with Russia. If Finland did not have such a military, it would be invaded. That is what empires do. Finland’s military does not start war; it prevents it.
Ideally, neither side would have to waste money on this military, but until Russia gives up theirs, Finland can’t give up theirs either. Good luck convincing Russia to do that.
Not long ago, I would have been in total agreement with you. The very idea of stealing land through invasion was so antiquated to me that I did not believe even Russia would do it until the moment their troops crossed the Ukrainian border. Now, I reluctantly am forced to conclude that not only is Russia that backward, it probably always was, and the only reason Finland has been safe all these years is because of the military that I thought was so absurd.
The Kremlin would be thrilled to see you in this thread shitting on the US
I’m Canadian. It’s a rite of passage for us to love our sibling while also shit on them. Don’t mistake it for a lack of caring.
Raise the military spend now.
Fuck no, cut the military spending and stop fueling wars.
Canada already spend billions of dollars in war, increasing military budget will only get you more war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending. Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves. This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.
Only works if your adversaries also cut military spending.
Usa and nato spend 10 times more than what russia does. Open the link and do the math yourself. They have no good excuse to raise the military budget even according to your logic.
Unfortunately countries like Russia have shown that they’ll happily attack those unable to defend themselves.
Go check the history of your country, every authoritarian nation will try to do that. Raising military spending does not make people more secure, it only increase rulers and government power. Wars are fought by people not money.
This also means that increased military spending can cause less war if it deters those who would otherwise attack.
Spending more on war will get you more war. You can see it happening right now in ukraine and middle east.
Canada’s expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already. Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument. Also, Canada has a very real stake in ensuring russia doesn’t succeed given those coveted waters you guys have along the northern territories.
Canada’s expenditure as a % of gdp according to your own source is pretty weak already.
Billions of dollars every year. You are feed up on propaganda, if mass media were to tell you that a billion is a big number you would be here complaining but propaganda have you thinking that you are not spending enough.
Insisting on having no military spending is hardly a real argument.
I wonder if you have any clue how these money are being spend.
Trudeau is spot on and Canada should ask the Blue States if they would like to be annexed.
Yeah sure, it will go like this:
2025 - blue states join Canada
2026 - red states aka the remainder of the USA face growing unrest as their funding handouts are cut off
2026 - tech companies in the province of Canifornia stop sharing new tech breakthroughs with USA due to posturings by their increasingly expanding military industrial complex and proposed weapon developments
2027 - huge skills drain in USA as health professionals and remaining scientists flee to Canada
2028 - Gilead starts amassing troops and staging ‘special military exercises’ on their border with Canada
Canada counter attacks via this banger. https://youtu.be/2gfve5QhWyI
20 billion
Man, I’m jealous.
His country has universal health care and isn’t wasting trillions a year policing the world like we are.
Our healthcare system has been deteriorating over the last 5-8 years now though with many healthcare professionals leaving the force for higher paying US opportunities. It’s lead to an annoying experience out here for anyone younger than 40 seeking healthcare.
Zelensky has already said the war will end quicker under Trump, which means he’s probably already had a chat with the new regime and is resigned to surrendering most of the land Russia have already taken.
And none of it will stop Russia regrouping and trying again in a few years.
Massive immigration has pushed our health care system to the breaking point in most provinces, also most of the world is annoyed at us because we’re not meeting our NATO 2% GDP military funding. Our military is underfunded, most of our population borders the US so the current government doesn’t see a point in military funding since any attack on us would be an attack on the US. Also he raised our taxes to pay for all this aid to other countries, he’s not very popular right now because of all his new taxes. The second an election is called, he’s out in his ass and TinyTrump will be elected in his place and we’ll be in the same boat as you
