This is a pretty great, long form post about the structure of Bluesky, and how it’s largely kinda pretending to be decentralized at the moment. I’m not trying to make a dig at it. I’ve enjoyed the platform myself for a while, but it’s good to learn more about how it actually works.

This article was shared on Mastodon via its author here.

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It’s not.

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I’m not even sure it can, unless they want to pay server operators. Who would do that for free for a for-profit company? And if they’re ultimately supported by the top, they’re still centralized.

Not that it’s super expensive to run a server, but it ain’t free; at least in a place like the Fediverse, every transaction is voluntary all the way down to the financial support, because any part may choose to participate or leave as they see fit.

I don’t see how BlueSky can replicate that and still chase profit.

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I thought I read something that said one of the servers or services or something was already like 4.8 terabytes and growing by the day.

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but even if you wanted to run that, you cant because they wont release the software or interact with foreign relays.

they dont even let you choose to grab the 4.8tb which is <10% of my home storage

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It’s in the article.

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if there is, I haven’t seen any. ive been using it quite a bit. its probably like most social media where if you don’t engage with that kind of content, it doesn’t show it to you.

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Thats not really what happens, unless you’re so toxic that old-twitter would actually ban you.

Bsky has a “nuclear block”, that essentially removes you and the target from even existing on the version of the site each other see. If you’re ok with just talking to folk who are on your side of a “no, shutup” line, like “trans women are women” or “trans is a mental disorder” you’ll be fine.

The issue is that a bunch of folk who abscribe to the second apparently just want to troll the first, so they get blocked by their targets, have no fun, and then complain to reporters still on twitter.

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The way some moderation lists (ban/labeling) work is algorithmic.

You can actually host one of these services yourself!

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“They” don’t have that. Most labellers are user made and people can subscribe to them or not.

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I tried to look this up but I couldn’t find much. The “worst” I found was this:

Some users have expressed concerns about the platform’s moderation practices, suggesting that the community’s emphasis on inclusivity and respect may lead to over-sensitivity, where even minor disagreements or differing opinions are met with significant backlash. This environment can create a perception of excessive policing of content, potentially discouraging open dialogue.

Where are you reading that people are saying that it’s worse than twitter? Is it right wing people that are saying that because they put emphasis on inclusivity and respect?

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That’s exactly what it is. The trolls and bot runners and MAGA chuds are pissed that we can completely prevent them from interacting with us there. And with curated blocklists it doesn’t even require work for the average user.

They can come to bsky but they’ll just be screaming at each other while the rest of us talk about cool stuff.

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It’s one of the best features of bsky!

Lists, feeds, starter packs, and moderation tools that work, have all led to a very vibrant and engaging social media experience!

The user base isn’t afraid of quickly dealing with antisocial behavior.

You can tell which way your media outlets position themselves by how they report on this aspect of bsky. Egalitarians will cast it in a positive light, while Elitists will cast it in a negative light.

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If that makes bluesky bad, lemmy should get an award for how terrible it is

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“People have been saying”

I love that absolutely meaningless statement.

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People have been saying

Ok, Trump. Thanks for the story.

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But the best people - all the best people - and these really are good people, you know? They’re good, the best, just wonderful people, and they say - I didn’t ask, they told me!

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No decentralization atm.

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Im more interested hows the privacy policy? Im too lazy to read it atm

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That’s a really interesting read (and worth much more attention than the pithy one-liners of people who just want to read the title).

On reflection, I think my take away is that Bluesky will always by necessity of its design be hosted and controlled by a single centralised company. But what their architectural model does allow is the possibility of a wholesale migration from one centralised provider to another. That is, it would be possible for a suitably resourced and motivated company to host its own mirror Relay and other components and have essentially a fully functional Bluesky clone. In the event that Bluesky ever “does a Twitter” and go into terminal decline, in theory this might mean that a successor/competitor could emerge and take on the network without loss of existing content.

I’m not sure that’ll ever actually happen, but it’s an interesting thought.

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Interesting point, and shows that most likely, any instance of Bkuesky will eventually go Twitter

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Not quite. Elon is a rather singular figure.

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