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I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn’t get past partitioning the drive.

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I mean, that you couldn’t get past drive partitioning doesn’t make it difficult to install for everyone.

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But it does make it more difficult relative to the others, which is all that any unitless chart is ever saying.

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Lol what? As the other comment says, partitioning disks for Gentoo is exactly the same thing as partitioning disks for Arch. If the problem is a PEBKAC thing you can’t just blame the distro.

The alleged “difficulty” of installing Gentoo is just about reading docs and waiting for it to compile stuff, it’s no rocket science as you people are trying to FUD.

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I’m genuinely curious as an Arch user. Does gentoo not come with fdisk?

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Oh, it does: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks

Look at that manual, isn’t it nice?

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Ma-ma-manual?

I thought there were only automatics nowadays!

No wonder Linux is so hard

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5 points

Yes it does. And while time-consuming it’s actually not too bad if you just follow the guide and don’t just skim through it.

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There are certain parts of the guide where i really wish it went into more detail.

Last time i installed Gentoo i had the Arch wiki open alongside the guide to help translate

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As a Gentoo user who has used Arch in the past, I have no clue what problems this commenter could have run into because paritioning the drives is exactly the same for both distributions… if they were able to figure it out for Arch, then they can do it for Gentoo

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Or you know, gparted, arch bootable, Windows Drive Management, Ubuntu…

I mean out of all the things I’d THINK you’d have trouble in, partitioning and formatting is…. not one of them.

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…paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can’t you do it for Gentoo?

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I think “couldn’t get past partitioning the drive” means they managed to partition the drive but couldn’t get beyond it ie couldn’t do any more after that.

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I meant, I partitioned the drives, but could not complete the steps after that. I couldn’t use that tar file to compile the kernel.

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Well, configuring the kernel is where things get tricky and is the major difference between the Gentoo and Arch installation, so that makes sense.

To be annoyingly pendantic, you did get past partitioning the drivea, then!

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3 points

man fdisk

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29 points

What an absurdly sycophantic graph.

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I’ve never “debloated” Windows so idk about the top half.

The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it’s just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

I assume Microsoft doesn’t care much about the installer since it’s generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it’s a first impression so it has to be polished.

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No excuse though. Try the “install as oem” of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click “Prepare for shipping to end user” and on next boot you’re greeted with a setup screen.

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That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that

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6 points

It’s very user friendly. I switched last year and haven’t looked back. I game on it constantly.

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Well, if you want accuracy, then no the meme isn’t really that accurate.

On an updated Win11 system the Shift+ F10 command prompt “OOBE\BYPASSNRO” trick still works to setup a new system without Internet (and by extension, without a MS account) so that’s like most of the battle right there

The rest is taken care of with your choice of debloat scripts that are out there

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I used AtlasOS on my windows partition. Had to cause for some reason steam streaming was borked and would only black screen. And now I’m too lazy to swap back over to cachyos. Lmao. Waiting to see that bug is fixed.

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compared to clicking “next” on Fedora, Debian, or Mint

I’d say using a simple straightforward GUI is much easier than an arcane combination of commands and keypresses

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Well, I didn’t say it should be ranked towards the bottom lol, if we want to make this graph accurate it would be below arch but above “Windows the normal way”

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22 points

Wait, did we just reach a point where a command line input is needed for Windows and Linux just needs to press a few buttons??

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I had to install Windows 11 on something a few weeks ago so I decided to do it without an account, it was nowhere near as difficult to do it as this sub would lead you to believe. Pressed a key combination to load up the command prompt then typed in a relatively short command. The GUI restarted and that was it.

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Yeh, it’s there.
But Linux installers would straight up ask you. So you don’t even need to hit the CLI

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Fedora takes 0 brain power to install.

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Fedora has hands down the worst installer I’ve ever seen. Some distros don’t have one, yes, some don’t have a GUI one, yes, some require additional configuration afterwards, yes, but Fedora’s is just confusing as hell for no good reason.

It’s also the only distro I had sound issues (i.e. no sound at all) with ever, and the only one where an installation has straight up failed to a point it created an unbootable system.

tldr: I wanted to try Fedora and capitulated on install. Still enough brainpower for EndeavourOS btw.

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I spent around an hour trying to understand how to use Fedora’s manual partitioner. I think I just ended up partitioning it with gparted or cfdisk from a different system. Never had problems with manual partitioning on other distros’ installers.

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