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Tradition is always the worst reason to do something.

If you had any other reason to do something, you would use that as an excuse.

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I can come up with worse reasons than tradition.

Like, to satisfy a sadistic urge or to cause suffering.

Traditions can and often do serve some purpose even if we don’t see them in such a light.

Just as evolutionary traits, only beneficial ones tend to survive the test of time. (Not necessarily beneficial to the individual, but the group)

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You’ve disconnected reason from the action and outcome. Killing someone will have bad outcome regardless of reason, but if your reason for the murder was some sort of tradition, it would imply that it’s justified in your eyes and you’d do it again, and also teach your children and community to do it, and normalise it, fight against legislation that would stop it etc. I believe it would be difficult, though probably not impossible, to formulate a reason worse than tradition without referencing tradition or custom in some way. And then there is also the frequency of how often traditions are used as reason or excuse to achieve a cruel outcome to consider. If baby pandas were no. 1 reason for human death in the world by few orders of magnitude, we would probably consider them “the worst” in some way.

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What tradition are you talking about?

For example funeral rites help prevent disease from corpses. Without knowing anything about germs.

Or the taboo of incest can avoid genetic defects, without knowing anything about genes.

Traditions formed for a reason. And that reason is way more ancient and more natural than modern logic. It is simply survival.

The people with traditions that helped them survived more often.

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Satisfying a sadistic urge will generally have a bad outcome (unless your target is a masochist), but as a reason, it is actually better than tradition.

If murdering people and rearranging their body parts was just “tradition”, it would be infinitely worse than someone doing it out of self satisfaction.

Traditions do often serve purpose, take for instance the birthday song. We say we do it for “tradition”, but the real reason is because it’s a familiar song everyone can participate in singing, to direct cheer at the birthday-twat. It’s generally fun.

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The effect of a tradition is usually not apparent. They aren’t created consiously or in a goal oriented way.

They usually emerge naturally as a social behavior.

There are also a lot of vestigial traditions that once served an important purpose. (Eg dowry)

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11 points

I wouldn’t go that far. Some traditions can be a positive that help give people a sense of shared community: christmas trees, presents and gluhwein for christmas, turkey for thanksgiving, etc

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There are better reasons for all those things.

“Because the decorating the Christmas tree is fun and it looks pretty”

“Because it’s nice for me to give and receive gifts”

“Because Turkey tastes good”

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Those are also all the reasons those things became traditional in the first place.

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5 points

Found the German :p

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89 points

Bro, just let XT-24 have a break.

Just give him a tramp stamp. Maybe a butterfly.

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My question would be : are XT clones conditioned exactly the same? Because if so, XT-23 is lying. They do enjoy doing this shit and they’ve all been jerks since XT-1.

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It was actually XT-15 that started drawing on the next clone, he had a bit of a rebellious phase in the vat he never quite grew out of.

He just told 16 that it was tradition and his just faded over time. It’s not like the guy fresh out of the jar knows tattoos are permanent… Yet.

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24 points

Maybe XT-1 woke up with tattoos like this, but it said Dave the lab tech was here, and Dave was the only one to enjoy it.

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10 points

Or a divergent xt started doing this shit and it seems like a tradition

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5 points

We have to ask why a tattoo machine, ink, needles, and operating instructions were even put on the ship to begin with. My guess is that the progenitor of the clones is the biggest dick of all.

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Depends on how souls actually work at a quantum level, some people, like NDGT, believe they don’t exist.

but if they do then there could be replicant drift from one generation to the next.

Hell honestly, you might not need something as profound as a soul to observe a replicant drift over time throughout a lineage. No matter how identical they are, 2 clones will have different life experiences ranging from things as minor as seeing events from 2 physically different locations in time or space up to something as major as experiencing important life events differently. I don’t believe it’s possible to stay the exact same when there’s so many differences in one life lived to another.

I bet xt prime wouldn’t even recognize himself in xt 24.

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3 points

How do we know that XT models were the only models?

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Who cares if they’re exactly the same out of the vat, their experiences after emerging won’t be, and they’ll mature into different individuals.

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18 points

Just switch it to positive messages; you are loved, you are someone… A series of hearts. A nice pattern.

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22 points

I <3 cock is a positive message.

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4 points

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70 points

690 years in case anyone was wondering lol

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690 years since the XT line began. If they started at AA-00, we’re looking at 1,851,690 years.

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16 points

Nice! I wouldn’t have noticed that.

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44 points

Ever see the movie “Moon”?

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Is that the one starring Sam Rockwell? Duncan Jones’ first outing?

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6 points

Yep

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2 points

He just wanted to go home :(

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The sheer number of penises starring in that film

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This is fantastic. Was not expecting the punchline.

Young me would have missed the personal interaction. Older, less hormonally-motivated me would be fine if the accommodations were nice, reasonably large, and contained a good, Linux-based, powerful computer, a copy of the entire Library of Congress archives, and deep clones of Github and Sourcehut. A decent, fast, current generation AI setup would go a long way to filling any gaps. I think I could probably live for several decades - maybe centuries - left to my own devices. Until the literature and media ran out.

I’d like to be able to work with AI systems to generate movies from my favorite sci-fi books. Just, throw literature at it, give it some direction, tweak the output, have a ton of dedicated processing power and a lot of free time, and no copyrights to worry about.

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Until the literature and media ran out.

Man, I easily completely forget shit from 10 or 20 years ago, I bet if you just keep creating you could entertain yourself for a lot longer!

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Give me all the Toy Story Films, plus a 2 week amnesiac pill every 2 weeks. I’ll be fine

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I would love you and others to find and watch this classic episode of the Twilight Zone: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Enough_at_Last My guts tell me there’d always be something missing like that.

I had thoughts of landing in a solitary confinement. Having media, tools, manuals and even internet at hand would make it pretty bearable, but I’d still probe the question of waking up another clone to have a company. Being there with their asses in a cryogenic sleep for decades would make me think about it thousands of times and it’d be really hard not to question the guidelines and test this opportunity.

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For my trip I’ll take this fine list above, plus a copy of all of the legal ethically made pornography.

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3 points

Ten lines of text would cover all your AI-generated porn needs

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