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Leftists are deluding themselves.

Just like I deluded myself that there was no way Trump could win a second term.

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Sounds like projection, doesn’t it?

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leftists very much believed trump could win a second term primarily because neoliberals would drop the ball during the election. we were warning liberals all year.

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Deluding themselves about what exactly?

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(this is only directed at the people who seem to have wanted Trump to win to “accelerate” the ushering in of a socialist society):

Deluding themselves about how often there isn’t a glorious revolution, and ongoing, armed resistance by the oppressed isn’t guaranteed.

Accelerationists have a weird hard-on for revolution, as if it’s easy-peasy to dismantle and replace all institutions all at once.

This socialist thinks we ought to fight tooth and nail via disruption/extra legal actions, implied threats of the power of the masses (in the same mould that workers won rights by threat), AND ideally within the system itself.

Because revolution is a roll of the dice.

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Yes. Make them explain their words. Deluding how, exactly? Deluded that women would fight for their bodily autonomy? That doesn’t seem very delusional to me.

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The percentage of white women voting for Trump says otherwise.

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The second amendment was to defend Americans from tyranny. Trump is that. Use of force in self defense is justified.

“The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, the cartridge box. Use them in that order.”

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The second amendment was to defend Americans from tyranny.

Oh, give it a break.

2A legalized colonialist white supremacist violence against slave rebellions and native peoples. That’s it.

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If it actually happened, I would happily support it. The system is working as it is intended by those with the money to manipulate it. It needs to come down.

I just don’t believe enough people really give a shit anymore.

They fucking re-elected him. We know who he is, what the GoP really is. And they still fucking elected him.

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Because there wasn’t a real difference between trump and Harris. Those excited for Harris just voted for Trump.

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https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment

Tl;Dr the Constitutional Congress didn’t really believe in citizen militias providing a sufficient check on federal power. Some power, sure, but by and large the British armies destroyed the militias in the field, with only a few notable successes.

They did, however, recognize that they could serve as a rapid reaction force for wars against natives and putting down slave revolts until the real army showed up. And, of course, militias could be rolled into a professional army and retrained, like what happened with the Civil War.

That isn’t to say a genuinely popular revolt wouldn’t work, it’s just not what the 2nd was really about.

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I am saving this.

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Oh I know, but I just want Trump and his fascists dead.

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Deluded ourselves that Americans have a spine?

You might be right, but I think better of my countrymen.

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Liberal and leftist are both very vague terms with several definitions that place them both in very different places in the political spectrum.

You should just use other, clearer terms.

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These terms are rather well understood by leftists, it’s only liberals who think they mean the same thing.

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No, conservatives think that. Liberal doesn’t mean what leftists desperately want it to mean; neoliberal

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Conservatives, liberals, and neoliberals are all just subtypes of the classical liberal.

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I see leftist as Revolutionary. The resistance. Quite honestly, I loved nazi hunter stories growing up and stories of the resistance movements and operations to smuggle the vulnerable to safety. I will be a part of it this time around.

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What is so vague about them?

They seem perfectly clear-cut to me.

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Some people think liberal is right-wing, just not extreme (for example, liberal party of Quebec)

Some people think liberal is centrist. (For example, liberal party of Canada)

Some people think liberal is some sort of wide category including everyone left of center.

As for leftist, some people think it means anything left of center.

Others think it means left-wing, but more so than center-left.

Others yet think it refers only to the most left-wing of political opinions, including communists, anarcho-communists, and adjacent ideologies.

And even “center” is a vague term to begin with. What passes as center in the US is decidedly right-wing in other countries.

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Some people think liberal is right-wing, just not extreme

What can possibly be more extreme than being pro-capitalist? Even a fascist can be made to admit that there is more to water than merely it’s market value.

And even “center” is a vague term to begin with.

That’s the whole point of “centrism” - vagueness. You can hide all kinds of right-wing garbage under “centrism.”

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40% of voting women support trump

Y’all are delusional

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40% of voting women support trump

Necessarily that means most voting women did not vote Trump.

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Except the fact that the women supporting maga is more likely to be gun nuts than the women supporting harris. They also have the military in control once Jan 20 comes.

We ain’t winning. They will massacre us. The US will have its own Tiannamen Square.

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That’s a great point, women go by guns. An unarmed leftist is a vulnerable leftist.

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I agree that women are not going back “into the bottle” as it were. There definitely are females out there opposed to women’s rights (especially reproductive and career rights). They will be opposed by a greater number of women + the men who want women to meaningfully participate in society. A nation that refuses to take women seriously ends up cutting their potential leadership, ideas, production, and so on basically in half. Already we see women planning how they are going to resist misogynistic policies, and maybe they don’t need my support as a Canadian man but they’ve got it.

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FEEEEEEMALES!!!

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? Is that a trigger word for you or something?

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Dude, like. No. Stop digging.

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Both can exist.

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Yeah that’s the point - the two pictures show two types of people who both exist.

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Yeah, and isn’t the series as a whole about her trying to go from A to B?

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I I’m not sure why you felt that need to be said, it was the point wasn’t it?

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To me this is the right answer. Both always exist. I think people’s propensity to believe the oppressed will definitely pick up arms in the face of oppression are kidding themselves.

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