You’re in this picture whether you like it or not.
Don’t worry, as an actual lefty I already know. You’re the one who’d push me into the cart.
The whole “Democrats are to blame” thing just seems like a continuation of the media bullshit that we saw through the entire campaign.
Harris was expected to be perfect, but Trump got a pass from the media because everyone already knew he was a shit show and was numb to it. 70+ million people voted for him, even after seeing exactly what he was like for four years and even after he ran an even nastier campaign than last time.
Am I the only one calling bullshit? Trump voters are to blame for Trump, first and foremost. Could the DNC have done better? Sure, but the armchair generals on Lemmy are making it sound like they have all the answers and if they were in charge at the DNC, surely they would have been able to run a campaign that could have beaten Trump.
Clearly it’s not that easy folks, Trump and the current anti-facts movement in the US are a huge problem that does not have an easy solution.
Oh wait, it did… the solution was to unite behind an imperfect candidate like we did in 2020, this time with a younger, better spoken and arguably more exciting candidate.
I’m not so willing to give the DNC a pass.
Is it easy? No. But it’s not like the DNC has tried numerous strategies and had brilliant plan after brilliant plan fail despite their well-considered attempts. The DNC algorithm for finding a candidate is quite simple:
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Survey the existing party ranks.
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Find the highest-ranking centrist within the party you can.
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Ideally, don’t have a primary at all. But if a primary cannot be avoided, throw the full weight of the party apparatus behind that person before the primary and do everything possible to sabotage anyone else during the primary.
2016 was a coronation, with massive numbers of superdelegates endorsing Hillary before the first primary vote was cast, putting their thumb on the scale. 2020 saw the DNC actively collude against Sanders. When it looked like he was about to win the primary, they arranged that all the centrist candidates except Biden drop out, while leaving Warren in to dilute the progressive vote. The ONLY reason Biden got the nomination was because the entire party leadership structure colluded to get the other centrists to drop out, ensuring his victory. And of course, in 2024, well you’re aware of that clusterfuck.
The lesson here really isn’t that hard. Primaries exist for a reason! Competitive primaries ensure that your candidate can handle themselves well, and that they actually have some broad support among the electorate. They’re a trial by fire that only fools skip.
I CAN do better than the DNC. I can do better than the DNC because I have some humility and realize that I have no business trying to select who the next ideal democratic candidate is. If I ran the party, I would adopt the following rules:
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Every election must have a primary. Even if an incumbent is running, a full competitive primary will still be held. The incumbent president should receive no advantage in that primary other than name recognition.
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Some process to prevent the kind of candidate collusion that occurred in 2020. Any candidate that is found to have done this should be ineligible to receive the party’s nomination.
The ONLY arbiter of who should win the nomination should be the voters. Candidates need to arise from natural political movements that arise free of central DNC influence. The party shouldn’t play favorites, and it shouldn’t nuke candidates just because party leaders don’t like them.
Are we, the Democratic party out of touch?
No, it’s the electorate’s fault!
Nobody is arguing the DNC isn’t out of touch.
however the electorate isn’t much better. Cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Nice try on the strawman though, better than some.
I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don’t want to fight.
What matters is policy. Real hard on the ground policy that real normal people can feel and see where they live.
When some wonk gets on MSNBC with a spreadsheet hooting about how much better things are with grocery prices or housing costs, that doesn’t mean anything to someone who’s begging for extra shifts at work so they can make rent. Those are aggregates and averages. If the 200k-500k bracket is doing better while the 13k-45k bracket isnt, the numbers still went up. That looks better in the data. But the people at the bottom are still suffering just as much as ever. They don’t feel or see any improvement because there wasn’t any. Not for them.
The health and performance of the stock market only matters to those on the bottom when it crashes and suddenly they’re paying more for everything. At no other point does it impact them in the slightest. Those record profits aren’t reinvested, they’re not used to reduce the strain on consumers. Its gobbled up by a few dozen shareholders. It benefits nobody else. And if an executive or CEO has the slightest semblance of a soul and wants to help consumers they’re voted out because the only responsibility is to those few dozen shareholders.
Healthcare. The ACA was a grand achievement. They took Romneycare national. Round of applause for all involved. But its still cheaper to do some form of Universal Healthcare. That would be the easiest win in history. And everyone would feel it immediately. It would help 100,000,000 people immediately. People who have been putting off medical treatment for half their lives because of the extortionist expense would immediately seek treatment. They would seek preventative treatment and raise the overall health across the country. Obesity rates drop, drug use plummets, etc.
Marijuana. Literally every person I know and interact with in my daily life uses it. Do you know the number one reason I’ve heard from all of them? Pain management. Again, another easy win that is supported by everyone except the ghouls who were alive when it was called “The Devil’s Lettuce” and propagandized into believing its this terrible thing.
Hard Policy that people can feel and see in their daily lives. You can still court the comfortable liberals who care about the stock market and all that. They’ll be fine no matter who is in office. If they need an abortion it’s a weekend vacay to Zurich or somewhere. But you’re never going to hold any meaningful power again without hard policy. Because for decades now the republicans have cornered the market on grievance politics and reaction. To break through that you need something real. No more vibes based nonsense. It will not work.
I am not here to argue. I will not engage beyond this post no matter what is said in response because I don’t want to fight.
tldr
edit: for the downvoters, how can I take anyone seriously if they’re not going to sit and defend their opinion.
Why would I even waste my time reading their wall of text? They might as well be screaming into the void.
What strawman? When is it appropriate to hold DNC leadership accountable for losing the election, again?
The DNC will have its come to jesus moment and maybe come to the wrong conclusions again, but it’s still patently obvious that a massive number of people will vote against their own interests regardless of the arguments anyone made.
Yes, the number of people on here who claim that withholding their vote to ‘punish the DNC’ and make them learn a lesson is helpful is too high. If the Democrats were going to learn their lesson, they would have done so after 2016. Believing that by not voting, they’ll affect the Democrats’ strategy doesn’t make them leftist, it makes them another flavour of liberal, who thinks establishment electoralism is a pathway to socialism.
A much more effective solution is to organize locally, educating people on real solutions and pushing for change that way, not by blindly assuming the Democrats will reflect on their loss and run a communist candidate next time.
The electorate picked the racist rapist trump, that’s what represents America.
To say that a political party should stray further from what the majority of Americans that stepped up to vote for is what is out of touch.
It represents a large portion, but progressive policies are widely popular. Even in states Trump won there were votes passed to protect abortion access and increase minimum wage.
Most people vote based on vibes, and there were no progressive or positive vibes put forward by the dems this campaign. They signaled a ‘lethal military’, tighter borders, and sought endorsements from prominent Republicans, trying to win votes that would never go to their party anyway, alienating anyone who might have believed in the genuineness of the dems as ‘progressives’.
15 million Democrats, progressives, and independents condoned racism are at fault.
Democratic leadership blind and dismissive of the common worker suck and are at fault.
Both can and are true at the same damn time and Democrats and progressives all over the nation fucked us all.
ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.
The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.
Eat shit. I did everything I could to raise awareness. I campaigned, I went to places to talk to people in my community. I used proof, even videos of him saying the evil, vile shit that he said. Our community stayed dem, while our state stayed right. Theres only so much you can do when indoctrination and propaganda rule. You can piss in a bowl and freeze it, then put it in your lemonade you fuck-whit. You have no idea how much some of us tried. Fuck you.
If you had actually accomplished any of the deeds you claim, you never would have gotten all butthurt, realizing OP was addressing the people who did nothing but create voter apathy.
The fact that you did get butthurt, says everything.
No, they acted like nobody did anything. Some of us did everything we could. And fuck you for acting like we didn’t do enough. What did you do? “Meh I posted memes on FB and argued with tankies.” Fuck you too.
lol. did you tell harris to fuck off on genocide? to fuck off on supporting corporate power? no? did you force harris to give people any reason to vote for her besides not trump? go look at her site again, read her actual policies. outside of the tax policy not a single one was going to do shit for working amercians. and the tax policy in no way compensates for inflation over the last 4 years. Would some of initiatives from the biden admin been nice tocontinue? like keeping khan in the FTC? yup! but every signal harris gave off was no, we wont be doing that anymore.
I dont ask you this to place blame on you personally. I’m doing it so you realize that it doesn’t matter who trump is. it matters who is actually running on the democratic ticket. if the difference between the candidates is basically a rainbow lapel on their shirt its not going to get people out to support her.
stop 1) blaming people who didnt show up, 2) dont take the blame personally for harris’, bidens, and the dnc’s failings.
move on, work locally to find better candidates for your community.
So if after his term ends Trump doesn’t remain in power, will you just shoot yourself? Or how do you plan to prevent people from having to listen to your half-assed doomer opinions?
Yeah, he’s a fucking idiot and he never should’ve won. Says a lot about the democratic party that they got beaten by a fucking idiot.
Maybe in the future own your mistakes instead of fearmongering, idk, just a thought.
Or, it says a lot about the intentions of each and every person that either voted for him, or didn’t vote.
“It’s Alice’s fault for not reminding Bob to pay the heating bill”. And I do mean reminding - as in an extremely obvious thing.
Isn’t it more like Alice’s fault for making Bob choose between paying the heating bill and the water bill, especially when someone from Alice’s department wanted to implement free heating and water for all consumers, Bob fucking included? Is it that hard to see how the corruption in Alice’s place of work is so goddamn disgusting that even Alice fans aren’t coming out to support her?
Jesus fucking christ. Never own up to your mistakes. Never admit your candidate was weak. Never admit your candidate is tied to corporate interests just as much as the other dumb fuck who won. Nooo, you have to seem squeaky clean. And then you wonder why people who see through that shit can’t be bothered to go vote.
Have some ownership and implement some reforms to turn your corporate-tied party around or die crying. Y’all keep wondering why voters see two shades of brown, and they don’t hurry to choose to eat shit from you instead of the other asshole.
