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Didn’t China just had a huge crisis in the property market?

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It seems they overbuilt on purpose, which seems like a great idea if you care more about shelter for the population than the financial wellbeing of the speculators.

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Is there any data on homelessness in China? There’s entire cities built and standing empty so I suppose there could potentially be zero homeless people, but if they were built by capitalists than I suppose it wouldn’t be surprising if it followed the same pattern as in the west, with empty homes for people can’t afford?

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Not really, the government wound down the real estate market intentionally to refocus the economy on tech and industry.

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Ah okey, so they acted on a non-issue than?

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They acted to prevent an issue from developing. This is the whole purpose of having a government. It pays attention to what’s happening in the country overall, and guides the economy towards positive outcomes.

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12 points

Property speculation crashed. It wasn’t a homelessness crisis, but an intentional popping of a speculative bubble because Capitalists got greedy and homes were too expensive.

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So China tried the same formula as the west than, let the capitalists steer the housing market?

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Isn’t the housing situation significantly worse in China? You put entire down payments and then pay the mortgage for the house to still yet be built. And last year so many defaults happened that no houses were being built and no one was being returned their money when they wanted out.

The grass is not greener on their side. It’s still fucked, just a different fucked.

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Those are the speculative houses xi is arguing against here. China doesn’t have involuntary homeless, that’s mainly why ‘ghost’ cities were built. Now the private housing market is fucked right now, and there’s a good chance there will never be privately built homes again in China. But that has nothing to do with the housing supply, and does not affect homeownership or housing rates

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90% of families in China own their home, with 80% of these homes are owned outright. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

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no, 0% of chinese own their home, it’s a lease from the state

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You do know that every house belongs to the government in case of need, right? In every country (except maybe Somalia).

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https://peoplesdispatch.org/2023/07/10/why-are-there-no-slums-in-china/

What is the “hukou” system and what does it have to do with socialism?

One unique characteristic of China’s urbanization process is that, although policies encouraged migration to cities for industrial and service jobs, rural residents never lost their access to land in the countryside. In the 1950s, the Communist Party of China (CPC) led a nationwide land reform process, abolishing private land ownership and transforming it into collective ownership. During the economic reform period, beginning in 1978, a “Household Responsibility System” (家庭联产承包责任制 jiātíng lián chǎn chéngbāo zérèn zhì) was created, which reallocated rural agricultural land into the hands of individual households. Though agricultural production was deeply impacted, collective land ownership remained and land was never privatized.

Today, China has one of the highest homeownership rates in the world, surpassing 90 percent, and this includes the millions of migrant workers who rent homes in other cities. This means that when encountering economic troubles, such as unemployment, urban migrant workers can return to their hometowns, where they own a home, can engage in agricultural production, and search for work locally. This structural buffer plays a critical role in absorbing the impacts of major economic and social crises. For example, during the 2008 global financial crisis, China’s export-oriented economy, especially of manufactured goods, was severely hit, causing about 30 million migrant workers to lose their jobs. Similarly, during the COVID-19 pandemic, when service and manufacturing jobs were seriously impacted, many migrant workers returned to their homes and land in the countryside.

Beyond land reform, a system was created to manage the mass migration of people from the countryside to the cities, to ensure that the movement of people aligned with the national planning needs of such a populous country. Though China has had some form of migration restriction for over 2,000 years, in the late 1950s, the country established a new “household registration system” (户口 or hùkǒu) to regulate rural-to-urban migration. Every Chinese person has an assigned urban or rural hukou status that grants them access to social welfare benefits (subsidized public housing, education, health care, pension, and unemployment insurance, etc.) in their hometown, but which are restricted in the cities they move to for work. While reformation of the hukou system is ongoing, the lack of urban hukou status forces many migrant parents to spend long periods away from their families and they must leave their children in their grandparents’ care in their hometowns, referred to as “left-behind children” (留守儿童 liúshǒu értóng). Though the number has been decreasing over the years, there are still an estimated seven million children in this situation. Today, 65.22 percent of China’s population lives in cities, but only 45.4 percent have urban hukou. Although this system deterred the creation of large urban slums, it also reinforced serious inequities of social welfare between urban and rural areas, and between residents within a city based on their hukou status.

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can you point to the law that says that?

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they’re made to last 50 years. Expensive houses are falling apart

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Im not sure we should be listening to this guy of all people, but i cosign the message still

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doesn’t take much to get that racism to pop out, does it?

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It would be great if we had laws which stopped people from doing that (both our own citizens and foreign). I want landleeches to scatter from here just like they did from China. No home for house hoarders.

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I wonder how many houses this guy own

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Seems to me that the fact that 90% of families in China own their home, with 80% of these homes are owned outright is a more important thing to focus on. That’s just me though.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

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Socialism is not a battle between america and china. Who owns skyscraper in china?

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Socialism is a transitional period where the working class holds power in society, but capitalist relations have not yet been abolished. https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/3228-lenin-s-three-theoretical-arguments-about-the-dictatorship-of-the-proletariat

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What an odd thing to wonder. Do you see Chinese state functionaries tooling around the world in megayachts?

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Wasn’t there a huge scandal with Evergrande surrounding just how much of Chinese requirements were tied to real estate? Doesn’t that directly contradict what Xi saying here?

Not to mention, China has its own homeless problem - let’s not act like they’re doing so much better.

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Wasn’t there a huge scandal with Evergrande surrounding just how much of Chinese requirements were tied to real estate?

Yes, which is why the Chinese state intentionally popped the real estate bubble and left the capitalists out to dry.

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“We will scale up the building and supply of government-subsidized housing and improve the basic systems for commodity housing to meet people’s essential need for a home to live in and their different demands for better housing,” an English-language version of the report said.

Compare that to Obama, who bailed out the private banks at the expense of people with home mortgages, banks that knowingly wrote those bad mortgages. Michael Hudson, 2023: Why the Bank Crisis isn’t Over

The financial sector is the core of Democratic Party support, and the party leadership is loyal to its supporters. As President Obama told the bankers who worried that he might follow through on his campaign promises to write down mortgage debts to realistic market valuations in order to enable exploited junk-mortgage clients to remain in their homes, “I’m the only one between you [the bankers visiting the White House] and the mob with the pitchforks,” that is, his characterization of voters who believed his “hope and change” patter talk.

The Federal Reserve is just the cartel of the US private banks, whereas banking in China is predominantly state owned. The Chinese state both runs these banks and has fiat monetary sovereignty, so it’s not answerable to the capitalists like the US is.

Bonus info on fiat monetary sovereignty: Why The Government Has Infinite Money


Not to mention, China has its own homeless problem - let’s not act like they’re doing so much better.

[Citation needed]

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China is the second country in the world by number of billionares. In europe cinese businessmen with ties to the government have been buying football clubs and luxury shit for a decade.

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But they aren’t buying them in china so it doesn’t count. ;)

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Unlike in capitalist states[1][2], the Chinese billionaires don’t run the Chinese state[3][4].

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What does a house have to do with a yacht though? Not everyone sails the open seas.

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