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Going to sound weird but going to one of my childhood friend’s house

He had a loving family where everyone was happy and helped each other. They communicated with each other happily about things that interested them. They were unafraid to share what was on their minds and what they were passionate about. They asked each other to do things without threatening or screaming. When they did have disagreements they talked them out. They’d say, “I love you,” without a hint of pain or irony.

It was jarring. It threw me off. I went over to his place a lot (like literally almost every day for the time were friends) and it wasn’t until I had been going to his place for a few weeks did it dawn on me that I had never seen his parents argue.

And honestly one of the most eye opening experiences from when I was young about how a family is supposed to function.

I guess you could say it was culture shock because my relatives operated on a culture of fear, hatred, and a lack of love. The phrase, “You have to love me, I’m family,” was uttered entirely too many times. Violence and the threat of violence was the only motivator my relatives used.

I was friends with that guy for 3 years. I’ll never forget his parents telling me that they saw me as family. I’d say those years did more good for shaping who I am today than all the years I spent with my relatives. I look back fondly on the time I spent with them. I wish it didn’t end the way it did though.

I hope they’re all doing well.

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I must admit that I eventually got used to it and even started enjoying this attitude, which I also took part in, but I was quite amazed by the Finns.

For work reasons, I had to spend three months in Espoo and the interaction with my colleagues was strangely cold in social interactions. Examples:

  • In the office canteen, they would sit next to you and start eating without even greeting or making conversation. I wondered why they had chosen to sit next to me.
  • When they finished eating, they would get up from the table and not say goodbye.
  • The scrupulous respect for personal space: in queues, crowds, etc.
  • Small talk was generally non-existent. People often preferred to stay quiet rather than chat about the weather or other common topics. Even in an elevator, silence was the norm, not the exception.
  • During meetings, the Finns would often speak only when they had something substantial to contribute. The silence in between wasn’t considered awkward, but a moment of thoughtfulness and respect for others’ ideas.

I ended up enjoying this way of social interaction. It seems to me that one uses less energy in social situations. There’s less stress about having to make conversation or engage in small talks.

Love you Finland.

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This makes me want to go to Finland for a visit. The lack of small talk seems very efficient.

Maybe they wanted to conserve calories during colder climates. I wonder if other cold climates have less small talk in social settings.

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I’ve heard it’s fairly expensive place to visit though 😅

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Suppose it depends on where you start though.

From the US, yeah probably. From Sweden it’s probably cheaper.

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This is going to seem minor, but it was a shock to me.

I grew up in Texas. I lived in very metropolitan places – near downtown Dallas, and near the Houston medical center. So I never thought that I was culturally isolated or anything.

When I finally left the state for a job, I went to Los Angeles, circa 2007. In my first week there, a lady pulled up next to me on the street and asked me where the courthouse was. I had a vague idea, but explained that I was new to the area so my advice should be taken with a grain of salt. People familiar with the LAX area will know that the nearby courthouse is a tall building with something resembling a crown or halo, I pointed her toward that.

It wasn’t until a couple of minutes later I realized what seemed strange about the encounter. The lady was of African-American descent.

I thought back on 3 decades of living in Texas, and I cannot once remember being approached by a black stranger and asked a question. Not one single time. Houston has a large homeless population, I had many encounters with panhandlers. I couldn’t remember one single black person.

In fact, as I thought about it, a HUGE difference between Texas and California was that black folks on the street behaved very differently. In California, they looked you in the eye, they said “hello”, etc. In Texas – at least, up until I left in 2007 – black folks were strictly “heads down, eyes on your own business”. Even thinking back on some black friends and co-workers, I realized that they behaved very differently in public than my white friends did.

The whole thing made me sad for my black friends back in Texas. And now that we know how police treat black folks, I guess I can see why they behaved the way they did.

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Not me, but the first time my boyfriend traveled with my family somewhere, he could not believe that sitting quietly in a living room reading was a thing. My family didn’t feel the need to fill our day to the brim with tours or shopping or other activities. And that was shocking to him.

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I’m getting flashbacks to our family skiing vacations…

Parents: Kempeth, come spend time with the family.

Me: alright, we doing something? playing a game? watching tv?

Everyone: *opens a book and sits quietly in a corner*

Me: *goes to do something else*

Repeat from the top

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How prevalent alcohol culture is in the West. I’m Southeast Asian and it’s more common for us to drink sugary drinks and have food at the local corner restaurant at night instead of having alcohol when we spend time with friends.

When I studied in the West, it really struck me how the only place you really could hang out at night was the bar, and alcohol was often the preferred drink. And they normally closed at 12am, so you can’t even stay out that late.

Personally I’m not very fond of inebriation just due to the issues it creates (not that my friends were alcoholics and got blackout drunk every time we hung out), so I found it kind of bad that it’s so socially accepted to see a need to get drunk in order to tolerate socialising with friends.

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Australian here, we have the same culture but it doesn’t finish at 12am, I found the Cinderella rule in the USA weird.

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Here in NYC last call is 4am. Whenever I travel I always find it really weird that most places in the US close so early.

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as someone from Berlin, it’s wild that you even have a “last call” rule in so many places/countries. Bars and clubs here can just decide themselves, when they want to close. There are even a few 24/7 places.

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And they normally closed at 12am, so you can’t even stay out that late.

Most of what you said is unfortunately accurate for Germany, but this part isn’t. I live in a medium-sized city and bars around here usually close around 1-2 am on normal weekdays and 3-4 am on weekends. And in the bigger cities they usually close later. From what I’ve heard it’s similar in Southern Europe (Spain, Italy), so I don’t think this is universal for “the West”. Maybe you’ve been to an anglo country? From what I’ve heard pubs in Britain and Ireland often close rather early, but I don’t know for sure.

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Pretty spot on, I was in the UK for a bit lol. Their shops closing at 4pm on Sundays was also a pain. Yes, let’s make it so no one can run errands on the one day they’re most likely to have time if they sleep in…

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Well, on that point you’d probably hate how we do it in Germany. With small exceptions for restaurants, bakeries, and small shops at train stations and the like, everything’s just closed on Sundays. Although some states allow a restricted number of “open Sundays” per year. But I have to say that while it does make shopping less flexible, it does have advantages, too. It makes sure that almost everyone has a day where they can see their family and where everyone has a day off, even poorer people who might not be able to choose a job as easily and would otherwise be forced to work on Sundays (or just everyday). It also makes sure that almost nobody has to work when there’s an election, which are usually on Sundays.

We are also used to it, and since most people also don’t work on Saturdays that’s mostly the day to run errands for us. But it definitely is a common culture shock or at least a surprise to those who are not used to it.

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