Almost as if they are doing it on purpose and are just the more culturally liberal of the two Wall Street parties… 🤔🤔

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Someone like AOC and Bernie will never be allowed anywhere near actual power. God damn money.

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and even if they did get in power, they’d still support NATO and imperialism in general, still support capitalist exploitation, and still would only pay lip service to or fight symptoms of systemic issues instead of ripping the cause that is capitalism out by it’s root

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Cries in Latin-American Spanish

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Not one of you clowns has any actionable idea.

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Ooo that got downvoted. All for saying “Fuck America” until NATO is stated, then it’s “Actually, America is holy and great.”

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The right won. They had more votes because many who voted democrat in 2020 voted red. How does going further left change that outcome?

If voters wanted politicians that are further left then wouldn’t they have voted for the politician that is furthest left?

I think most people just voted republican because they experienced inflation under Biden and dont understand why.

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It’s not soorts teams. Going further left means reaching rural people and poor people. A lot of the working class just isn’t aware of what left and right mean. If the left let’s republican dictate who is taking those ppl’s side this is how it’s auways gonna end. Posh elitism has failed yet again

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There was an election between an independent union leader and a career politician in Nebraska and the career politician won by a landslide. How do you explain that?

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Nebraska isn’t a homestead of liberal ideals?

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One example does not a rule make, and in the US electoral system money (and the party affiliations that bring it) speaks loudest of all. Maybe going further left wouldn’t work, but going further right certainly hasn’t. When Harris first emerged as the candidate she had such a swell of support, as she moved further right she lost it.

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The career politician ran a better campaign and lied more believably.

Also not all union leaders are left wing, paradoxically. There are legitimate reasons that Americans distrust unions.

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They had more votes because many who voted democrat in 2020 voted red.

Source?

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That doesn’t mean what you think it does. The fact that Harris received fewer votes from independents is because they stayed home (as evidenced by the lower turnout), not because they moved to Trump en masse.

Your conclusion also makes very little sense when you consider that Harris already conceded so much to Republicans compared to 2020, i.e. on migration, campaigning with Cheney and even proposing to appoint Republicans in the cabinet.

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That quote isn’t saying what you’re saying.

Trump kept pretty much all of his republocan support from 2020. That quote is saying 94% of Republicans voted for him, the same overall share of republican votes in 2020.

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4 points

How does Bernie win again and again then?

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He hasnt been able to win outside of Vermont. Even when he lost the primaries he it was because he didn’t have enough votes.

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Well he did until the DNC scuttled his momentum with spoilers like Clinton and biden

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This is factually false. Trump received no more vote really than he did the last 2 times. Dem voters simply stayed home.

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They don’t care about winning. They care about being cool at the right DC cocktail parties,which they have achieved by extracting their own base from the party in favor of a war criminal who left office with 13% approval.

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And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.

It’s a trap and these two parties massively profit off of it.

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I hate that you’re not wrong. Gotta get rid of the current “winner take all” electoral system first though…

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Im with you. If such trap can exist the system is wrongly setup.

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That’s not possible in the current electoral system. Therefore voting third party needs to happen first.

Or really, the thing we can’t say in the Internet anymore and the thing that you liberals hate more than the thought of losing capitalism itself.

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Mandatory vote, ranked choice, popular no electoral

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Apparently star is better?

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Ranked choice was on the ballot in some state and it was voted down

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You’re not wrong, but there’s no way to get there from here that doesn’t involve the American political system becoming something else first.

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Its the fundamental death of democracy. There is only ever one “correct” choice on the ballot. No real decision except to show up and vote straight ticket or suffer guilt or derision from your peers.

This works just as well on Republicans as Democrats. You don’t see any dark horse Buchanans or Perots on the ballot anymore. Conservatives know any vote for someone other than Trump will be seen as a vote for the Democrat, just like Liberals know the opposite. And when the top of the ticket sucks (as with Hilary in 2016 or Romney in 2012), turnout sags and upsets happen.

The bitter truth Dems can’t face is that they ran bad candidates on weak platforms after disappointing terms in office. And this is what drove down turnout. Not insidious Arabs or nefarious Jill Stein voters or Russia. If they’d had a candidate as appealing to voters as Trump, running on the left side of the ticket, they could have won. Instead, they shed 15M votes chasing the Liz Cheney endorsement.

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This is cuz of fptp not cuz of parties

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The parties enforce and secure fptp from any alternatives, given they massively profit off of it.

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The modern party system is a product of FPTP, and it’s leaders will fight to defend FPTP for their own preservation

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Bingo

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My understanding is that for third parties to become viable at the presidential they have to have first become viable in other levels of government. A third party presidential candidate should be the culmination of bottom up building, not a once every 4 years thing.

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You’re correct. The US third parties have never been acting in good faith, with few exceptions.

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And this is when you vote for a third party. IMO the mentality of “having to vote one of these two” is toxic for a democratic system.

So close, and yet so far.

The third party isn’t going to save you from the toxic system, nor stand a chance to fix it.

You can’t reform the system, nor fix it from within no matter how hard you participate. It must be completely eradicated from the root.

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kamala was not pro corporate.

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only as much as every politician since Clinton

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we actually had some monopoly busting action going which is now going to be in the shitter.

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Monopoly busting is good for the other corporations. Just because a company does anti-consunmer behavior doesn’t mean they aren’t also get screwed by another company’s anti-consumer behaviors.

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The Biden Administration did, she didn’t. She had a bunch of billionaire Tech Bros telling her to drop Lena Khan if she got elected. We know exactly where she was headed.

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Lol, good one mate

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Bahahah

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51 points

What the actual fuck are you on about

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No follower of ideological liberalism knows what the fuck words mean.

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Hate to break it to you…. You couldn’t be further from the truth.

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