Until today, I’ve been thoroughly in favor of supporting Ukraine. Since Ukraine isn’t going to get any support from the next administration, rushing out a final aid package (if the current administration can even manage that) only seems like it will briefly delay Russia’s slow victory.
I’d like to be shown that I’m wrong. Please comment if you have an outlook that’s more positive than mine.
I have one, hear me out: it looks like the current german gov will decide to give up and have early elections. Current polls suggest that Merz will become chancellor. On multiple occasions he criticized Scholz for his cautious approach and voiced his support for Taurus deliveries. Not sure if he will go through but I think he specifically mentioned Taurus so often and prominently that it won’t be easy to back pedal now. So it’s likely that Taurus (and with it the Kerch bridge?) is back on the menu.
(Imho he’s quite a shitty politician otherwise, but maybe he can get at least this right)
With the current Zeitgeist, I’m afraid of a landslide win for the AfD
But maybe I just lost hope…
Well, we don’t actually know that the next administration won’t support them any. We assume they won’t because of Trump’s attitude to Ukraine, but the republicans have been somewhat divided over the issue, and Trump just does whatever he randomly feels like, and sending more military aid does benefit the MIC that can pay politicians, so it possible, if unlikely, that they’d get some support from them. There’s also the possibility of support from Europe or elsewhere in the world. Finally, while a Ukrainian loss without foreign support seems quite likely, the pace of Russia’s advances and resource expendature are such that a win for them is no longer likely to be “annex Ukraine or make it a puppet rump state”, but more “take a strip of land close to the current occupation line”, in which case a stronger Ukraine has a better negotiating position and so may be able to give up less.
Why? Spend the money here.
Jesus fucking Christ, do you think we are shipping crates of Benjamins to Ukraine?
Are you really this fucking stupid? Clearly the majority of people in the United States are the dumbest motherfuckers alive, so I just need clarification.
That money is spent here. The money gets pumped into the US economy.
We get rid of ancient military equipment, Ukraine gets a boost, and the US economy gets billions of dollars pumped into it
Fucking idiot. The replacement weapons will be made here and paid to companies here
Yes. As much as I support Ukraine, it’s a waste of money at this point. Russia can go forever. We need to spend money here to brace for impact.
Russia actually can’t go on forever. There’s a reason they’re having to buy bottom of the barrel artillery shells from North Korea of all places. They’ve had gigantic reserves from the cold war to burn through, but they have been burning through it.
Russia+NKorea surely can’t go longer than US and Europe, look at the numbers in economy, population etc. Even if the US pulls out, Europe on its own would have more than enough resources to outspend Putin. It’s a matter of political will, that’s all. If Europe would be equally commited to Ukraine then Russia wouldn’t stand a chance. So whether it’s a waste of money or not now is a question of whether Europe is willing to properly support Ukraine. I guess you could make the point that it’s about time we finally decide this, but the means surely are there and at our disposal.
You think they are venmoing Ukraine?
The aid is for weapons delivery via 2 paths:
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Write off appropriation and backfill of mothballed stock we already needed to rotate out or destroy, due to shelf life
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Net new construction of weapons for immediate delivery to Ukraine. That construction happens in the US and us partner nations, and provides the US valuable use Intel as a cherry on top.
It’s valuable spending either way.
Bro they do. Just today I got a message from Zelensky asking me to send him $500 for a tank ticket to Donetsk. Being a patriot I am, I obviously did my part.
There are also direct money transfers and guarantees for loans and other financial instruments.
As for mothballed weapons, it’s often cheaper to deliver them to Ukraine than to dispose of them.
That, along with Russia not congratulating Trump are the only things giving me some hope Trump might pivot with the right push. “We made an amazing deal, Ukraine will cheaply dispose of our old weapons and punish those filthy ungrateful Russians” would be very much on brand for Trump if you insert a bunch of rambling in the middle.
We should give them enough gear to substantially weaken our own military.
The Dems need to learn to play dirty. Biden needs to de-fang his own office as much as possible in the next 2 months. And as official acts, he can do it with the Court’s blessing.
Stop taking the high road and burn the fucking White House down before Trump can take it back.
Gift the entirety of military resources not stationed in CONUS to NATO allies. If the plan was to try to strong-arm our allies for protection, literally take the ammo away.
Those NATO allies (Poland) don’t even intercept Russian missiles when they enter Polish air space. Belarus has a better track record of shooting down Russian drones.
Because they’ve been told by the US they’re not allowed to use their US supplied arms to do so. They’ve been asking for permission for at least a year. Refer also constraints placed on Ukraine
And as official acts, he can do it with the Court’s blessing.
You forget, the courts only would use that logic to help republicans and hinder democrats.
Precedent has no meaning to these fucks.
why didn’t we do this before
What took them so fucking long?
