As always, disclaimer that I’m not a US citizen.
You usually see quite a few people mentioning leaving the country if Trump would get elected, but how realistic are those plans?
Not to say it’s not justified with the prospect of Project 2025 (see the other thread), but seems like a huge life change that is probably not possible for most of the people.
I may not have a choice. My wife is an immigrant. She’s fully legal. If Trump carries out his plan to deport all immigrants she’s going someplace (yet unknown) and I’ll follow. What a nightmare.
I wonder if they’ll send a letter asking your wife to please leave, or if you’ll come home one day and she’ll just be gone.
As in a group of Jack booted thugs come along , load you into a van without warning, without cell phone or anything. Then they drop you off wherever they think your country is with no resources.
Is she a US citizen yet? Was wondering why this is unknown - but if she became a citizen and her birth country didn’t allow dual citizenship, then they may not accept her back.
The worst part about this is that he supports remigration - suggesting that even those born in the US without any other citizenship (ironically, being eligible to become US Presidents themselves) will also get kicked out.
No she’s not a US citizen, so she would be accepted by her home country. I could go with her. But that would mean the end of her career. I’d have a tough time because I’m not fluent in that language. In theory I could work remotely but our lives would/will be totally upended. Plus the climate is much different there so she’d be unhappy about that too.
I finished renewing my passport just in case but have no plans at the moment. Not sure where I’d go. But now that it’s over, I’m leaning towards staying here and fighting. Fuck them. We shouldn’t make it easy or comfortable for them to oppress the people here who can’t leave.
Having a passport and some friends overseas is a good idea. Maybe even an employment plan or otherwise a stable landing place if it gets very bad.
I agree about staying to fight. But trapping yourself into a battle with no way to retreat, when you know it might get bad, isn’t good strategy.
I doubt it. The EU as a whole, without the UK, lacks force projection capabilities. It’s one thing to string a supply line overland through the continent. It is a whole different thing to string supply lines across an entire ocean. Without massive military spending, which is historically deeply unpopular in the EU, I don’t see them invading any time soon, and THAT assumes the political will to even consider that as an option exists in the first place.
I don’t know where I’d go. Regardless of this particular election, I’d love to live elsewhere, but I’m only fluent in English. Not to mention, there seems to be rising fascism all over the place.
Find me a mid level cybersecurity job in an EU member state and I’ll be right over.
I’m lucky enough to be a white, cis male, but I am bisexual. I’m extremely lucky to live in a very liberal area, but I’m afraid that won’t mean much for long. I fear for myself, my family, and my little sisters especially. And I fear that there’s nowhere to run to because US hegemony shapes the world.
I’ve been proudly out for 10 years now, but half of my family assumes I’m straight because they’re the type of people who assume everyone is straight until proven otherwise. The majority of them likely voted for Trump.
I’m one-hundred percent considering this. I spent the four years under Trump on the ground, organizing my community and resisting fascist chuds on the ground, and got mostly flack, backlash, doxxing attempts, 30 extra lbs I can’t seem to shake, and bullshit from shitlib’s who just spent the previous 6 months making the argument “but Trump worse” and cheering on the Chenys.
There are basically two options I see for me and my family right now. We can either stand and fight or we can let this go. My lesson learned from 2016-2020, is that Democrats/ Liberals do not have your back. You can not expect to be able to rely upon them to show up or do the right thing. Democrats have spent orders of magnitude more effort fighting and trying to beat the left than they have the rightward march to fascism. So any kind of fight or resistance you try and muster; you have enemies at both your fore and aft. Liberalism and Democrats haven’t shown me that they are worth fighting for.
The Trump Presidency is bad enough, but the American system could survive another one like it survived the last, through Congressional and judicial power and the fundamental checks and balances.
Republicans have won the House, the Senate, and the SC. The Supreme Court already handed the Presidency dictatorial power.
The Experiment is over. If you’re not planning to get out you need to be planning to fight, and not with a fucking protest sign.
