Summary
Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”
Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.
Mission accomplished.
The only person you should blame is Harris and her party. She made the same mistake Clinton did by trying to be as conservative as possible, so nobody on the left voted for her.
Nobody on the left votes for her so the far right wins again. Real galaxy brain move there.
Nobody ever accused voters of being smart. That said, Harris lost a lot of Biden’s 2020 voters, so this is the exact good time to go super critical on her campaign.
I’m sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
They are responsible for their own votes but if the politicians aren’t able to sell their ideas then the blame is also on them.
I blame Brexit on those that voted leave but I also blame the remain campaign for sleepwalking into the Brexit referendum and not doing enough to counter the leave campaign’s lies.
I’m sick of this denial of politician’s culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they’re not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I’m not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I’m saying start giving a fuck about class.
It doesn’t matter if the voters are to blame. If they don’t vote for you, you haven’t reached them. Complaining about that won’t make them vote for you.
This being said everyone who is a citizen of a society has some responsibility for that society. So of course the voters have responsibility.
I’m sick of people blaming voters when they live in a State without democracy
Heh, I’m sure all the gazans, Ukrainians and Taiwanese are glad to hear the American left stood for their principles.
I really wonder how much direct financial support Russia sends our ‘left’.
That ‘left’ gets a hell lot of financial support, if not outright some method to organize brigading campaigns.
I guess the silver lining is that we won’t spend the next few months worried about violent retaliation and a second insurrection. But we’ll have to live through the bickering and multiple finger pointings among non_MAGA people on whose fault it was. Then January 20th will come and we’ll be too busy worrying about our well being to continue the blaming.
It really does parallel Brexit in a way. People are so similar.
And second and secondmost, I blame the anti-Trump non-voters. The GOP only lost about 2 million from 2020, but the Democrats lost about 14 million. I know they’re not all accounted for but that is a MUCH larger swathe from blue than red. Obviously some switched sides for their own reasons but basically there are maybe 10 million voters who decided that voting for the lesser of two evils wasn’t on their agenda and did nothing. Disappointing.
Edit: obviously I blame all the propaganda from the billionaires/wealthy media/foreign interference etc too (and moreso), but let’s take that as read.
Would you rather she miss out on the bigger share of the center?
Face it, political views are a Bell Curve.
You’re right. Sad to see the down votes.
Kamala Harris was up 10 points in ratings above Trump after Biden dropped out. Every step of the way, Kamala dropped the ball and fumbled her lead with her eye on winning over conservatives.
This country is moving more and more right, and it’s not the American people’s fault. Democrats have stagnated ever since Obama ran on hope and change, but forgot all of that shit once in the White House.
Don’t let people gaslight you here. Democrats are the ones to blame.
The USA just lost the cold war.
RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.
I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy
The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans…
At home. Too lazy to do anything.
I was playing Catan online yesterday as the results were coming out, I asked the chat if anyone was from the US. Out of 4 players, 2 where from the us and one didn’t bother to go vote. I was shocked. He didn’t even have a good excuse.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Trump didn’t win…It’s the people that failed to show up.
They backed mail trucks up to rivers and dumped ballots from democratic districts. Track your vote and make sure it was received, this election had all the makings of a high turnout event and yet somehow millions of votes vanished.
Edit: stop the steal
You can not blame this on Jill Stein voters. Trump kicked Kamala’s ass. Maybe not a landslide but it wasn’t close by any means.
I wouldn’t worry about Taiwan either. Not a chance in hell anyone around trump allows him to abandon them as their microchip factories are vital to literally everything we do in this country.
America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.
Time for Europe to step up.
Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they’ll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.
Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.
I’m sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(
Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn’t make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn’t their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.
I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, despite not liking a single one of the General election candidates, and I phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.
I don’t blame those who sat out. The only reason I don’t is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.
We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.
And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage stay disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.
Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp “free” market capitalist economy, amirite? I wish that commonality our supposed leftwing party has had with Republicans for ages, but especially since Reagan, would tell you something…
Because a society shouldn’t be comfortable with an economy that by design leaves so many of its people “losing” so hard they’re dying of exposure on our streets, let alone BOTH of our only 2 political parties that matter. But we aren’t a society, just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other’s throats fighting for the owner’s ever dwindling scraps.
The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They’ll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already
There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn’t change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn’t agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.
Which is insane for a political campaign.
Yes this loss lies squarely with the Democratic Party and their failure to produce a candidate that could win. Instead they forced Kamala on us and campaigned on “Trump bad” instead of policies that would benefit ALL Americans. Not just outlier groups they were trying to win, particularly failing to win any meaningful support from Hispanic and Muslim voters.
We can certainly point fingers in every direction and hit someone with “fault.” We are all to blame and not to blame.
At least now we won’t have to vote any more.
Oh please, 20 million voters that didn’t vote wasn’t affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.
Nah I think it was Elon “Goebbels 2” Musk more than them. They didn’t help but he should get all the credit.
That would almost be funny again. So why didn’t you vote?
I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn’t like her.
You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.
Stupid people. Not being able to see the less worse side makes them stupid people.
And siding with the side that will bring worse to the table just because you can’t handle something that the less worse side does? That also makes them stupid people in terms of general and emotional intelligence.
oh yeah, in this fediverse echo chamber where there’s only one narrative: “trump bad”, for sure, those lemmy.ml people were swaying millions of voters away from Kamala.
jeez, lemmy, you were pathetic during the run-off, but you’re also a very sore loser. A bunch of kids not even being able to look into the mirror.
