Context
- List of instances defederating from Threads, the Meta microblogging platform: https://fedipact.veganism.social/
- At the moment, Threads have incomplete federation with Fediverse microblogging instances: https://fediversereport.com/last-week-in-fediverse-ep-86/
- Another meme about Threads: https://feddit.uk/post/18194873
- Threads does not currently federate with link aggregators (Lemmy, Piefed)
- Threads could work with the microblogging part of Mbin
The main arguments for people to defederate are
- “Embrace, extend, and extinguish” strategy: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
- A potential federation with Threads (should Thread decide to implement it) would overwhelm Lemmy/Mbin/Piefed with millions of users (compared to the 40k monthly current active users), transforming those platforms into a threaded version of Facebook
- Defederating preventively costs nothing
LW stance: https://lemmy.world/post/1274909?scrollToComments=true
We should be careful after looking at what happened with XMPP
Is it really a mystery? Ruud explained why this has not been done, why don’t you add his explanation to the context here? Don’t tell me you have never heard about it.
Found it, added to the OP
I have yet to see any threads content anyway.
The best if you don’t have to. If you thought Twitter’s nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta’s moderation.
People can post trans suicide memes, people can post outright hate speech, no action. Call a “moderate conservative” a “mean person”, racist, etc., action within 24 hours, multiple-day ban.
If you thought Twitter’s nonexistent moderation was bad, then get ready for Meta’s moderation.
To be fair, there is no global moderation on the fediverse. Anyone can start up their own instance with their own rules, or lack thereof. But that is also a plus since you or your server administrator decide how to moderate content, rather than depending on the decisions of some mega company’s moderation team.
It’s about literally nothing. People just (rightfully) hate Meta so they cry wolf for no reason. Try looking for Meta users on Mastodon, you won’t find almost any. Most thread users don’t know what the fediverse is, don’t care about it and don’t want to know. Threads has likely already more users than the whole fediverse. Their base is already bigger of what they should theoretically “expand and extinguish”. There is absolutely no reason for them to care about the fediverse more other than some niche PR.
The EEE case never made sense from the beginning in this context, but people are still repeating it like a mantra. They are taking an emotional approach to a rational issue. Funnily enough, many of them are probably unable to understand how people could vote for Trump…
Also I don’t understand the problem at all. It’s not like instances can’t defererate later if an issue arise. We were the niche from the start, and they already had all the users they could ever need. And ongoing project was just easier to implement compared to developing a platform from scratch, that’s all.
One concern is that since threads has a massive userbase and similar volume of content, it is basically a full reservoir and when it starts to federate content it will be like the dam bursting. Even if there is a need for a user on lemmy.world to do something to start federating content, like subscribing to communities, but all it would take is a bot that subscribes to a bunch of popular content to both fill the All feed and prompt a massive number of API calls.
If the hardware is up to the task, the other concern is the threads content overwhelming existing communities, and since a bunch of meta content is bot driven and malicious that would be a crazy amount of moderation that is likely needed to keep it from causing issues and driving away the existing userbase.
Lemmy is niche and therefore is heavily populated by techies but more specifically lemmy is open source so these techies are specifically the type who like open source stuff. Threads and the corporation responsible for it have a financial incentive to oppose open source projects like this. So the community most ideologically tied to lemmy want nothing to do with it. They want to preserve their space that they have made as free of the influences of capital as possible. The very existence of threads is a threat.
Threads.net federation status on major Lemmy instances based on blocklist info:
- Awful.systems - Blocked
- Beehaw.org - Blocked
- Blahaj.zone - Blocked
- DBZer0 - Blocked
- Dubvee.org - Blocked
- Eco.br - Blocked
- Feddit.org - Blocked
- Feddit.nl - Blocked
- Feddit.uk - Blocked
- Hexbear.net - Blocked
- JLai.lu - Blocked
- Leminal.space - Blocked
- Lemmy.best - Blocked
- Lemmy.ca - Blocked
- Lemm.ee - Blocked
- Lemmings.world - Blocked
- Lemmyf.uk - Blocked
- Lemmygrad.ml - Blocked
- Lemy.lol - Blocked
- Lemmy.ml - Blocked
- LemmyNSFW.com - Blocked
- Lemmy.one - Blocked
- Lemmy.zip - Blocked
- Literature.cafe - Blocked
- Mander.xyz - Blocked N
- Midwest.social - Blocked
- Pawb.social - Blocked
- Quokk.au - Blocked
- Reddthat - Blocked
- Sh.Itjust.works - Blocked
- SLRPNK.net - Blocked
- Szmer.info - Blocked
- Tchncs.de - Blocked
- Aggregatet.org - Not Found
- Aussie.zone - Not Found
- Feddit.cl - Not Found
- Feddit.it - Not Found
- Futurology.today - Not Found
- Infosec.pub - Not Found
- Lemmy.one - Not Found
- Lemmy.pt - Not Found
- Monyet.cc - Not Found
- SDF.org - Not Found
- Lemmy.world - Linked
- Sopuli.xyz - Linked
Also, in memoriam:
Hexbear? EW.
Also they don’t actually federate anything, especially not with Lemmy as federation with Lemmy is fucked up even with mastodon, misskey and basically all the other services. Kbin was the only somewhat working other service, but from what I’ve seen its abandoned.
I came here to tell you that !art@hexbear.net is actually quite nice. I was going to say, by the way, that I also went there to talk with them about politics recently, got about the reaction you’d expect, and peaced out, but as long as you don’t do that, you can enjoy the nice artwork.
And then, I realized that I haven’t seen any of the art for a few days.
Yep! My whole instance is defederated, I think. I wrote a total of five messages.
I think they’re a little thin-skinned lol.
Absolutely not worth it and I’m staying in my savespace they defederated. We are better.
They told me to tell you, “The bloodthirsty liberal lanyard status quo warriors aren’t inviting Hexbears to the wine cave. What a loss.”
They also threatened to stab me with an icepick. Why not an ice axe? That would have some history behind it.
