Vote.
I dislike leftist Seinfeld, even if he’d hate it.
Genuinely laughing at how you construct a false premise and then continue building a mountain of straw men on top of it.
I guess that’s what happens when liberals abandon reality. Better luck constructing a coherent thought next time!
You’re absolutely right. Most of these self-proclaimed leftists don’t even pretend to have any clue how to start a revolution, whilst demanding it as the only possible course of action.
Tbf, they’re mostly well aware that they’re too few in number to violently overthrow the system. So the opening of the OP is a bit of a strawman
Otoh they watch people looting an electronics store on tv and interpret it as ‘something is brewing’
There absolutely are folks precisely what the OP is talking about. One verbatim quote from an exchange I had: “Revolution is necessary, electoralism cannot work.”
He was absolutely adamant that voting is stupid and people shouldn’t bother because we need “true communism” that cannot come from voting.
There is no vote this election that will result in a better system. I’m not even sure there’s a vote that won’t result in a worse one.
One day you’ll understand what “non voting leftists” truly mean. When kamala wins, and the world still spirals into fascism, maybe you’ll see what they mean
What the fuck are you on about. The other guy is saying, on record, he’s the fascist.
Your side has been saying the world was going to end since Obama was elected.
It’s the same, tired, racist, bullshit.
Fuck off, Nazi.
At “best” they are an accelerationist, seeing Trump as a useful idiot to burn it all down, and then they can swoop in and “save” us. At worse, you’ve reached the Kremlin Election Emergency Hotline…
I’d vote for kamala, thank god i’m not a USer. I’m just saying that the only way someone like trump can get there is when progressives stop being progressive, when democratic politicians are not pressured in pushing the overton window left, then inevitably fascists will throw it to the right. Your shitty attitude is part of the problem and your refusal to even entertain any thought outside the voting binary shows how much of a tool you are
Why so angry? NPC moment for real. If god forbid i was American i’d vote for kamala but this high and mighty attitude of never holding your politicians accountable and ostracizing anyone who even dares whisper such thing is exactly what allows fascists like trump to reach the vote. Your blind rage for any kind of complex thought that goes beyond “blue good and red bad” is not as democratic as you think.
Drink a goddamn chamomile
Withholding your vote isn’t punishing your politicians, it’s punishing yourself. Absolutely nothing about voting implies you cannot hold your politicians accountable.
Who says not to hold them accountable? People are merely saying, when it comes down to it, vote knowing the actually possible outcomes for your preference. If someone is particularly bad, vote against them, if someone with a shot who is really good, vote for them.
Where was all the “we are just holding them accountable” during the primaries? Why wasn’t there a movement to challenge Biden in the primary, if it were so important to hold him accountable?
People are justifiably suspicious that in all the ways that could matter (down ballot, primaries, even day to day protests outside of election season) the “revolutionary left” is suspiciously quiet and suddenly they are yelling from the rooftops in the singular race that they can not “win”, only screw up.
Now explain to me what of the measures you are taking to prevent this are somehow rendered moot by the act of voting.
I am not American, i am not talking about any measure, i am just saying that alienating people already alienated by politics doesn’t help either
And coddling people from the harsh realities of their circumstances helps them even less. It’s time to buck up, buttercup.
How does voting help? It’s just a dumb question, and I, personally, am not saying people shouldn’t vote. I’m just saying not to act like voting will stop fascism and not voting will enable it, it’s just not that simple
Nobody is saying or thinking that sincerely, but the idea of not voting is like playing a game of chess against facism and refusing to use your Queen.
Nobody thinks voting is the whole solution or the whole problem, and nobody thinks that all of our problems hinge solely on the vote.
Voting doesn’t solve everything and it doesn’t replace hard work. But rationally speaking, in raw terms of time and effort input vs impact output, the low cost of entry of voting simply makes it one of the most impactful things you can do to affect change in America pound-for-pound in terms of effort, period. Change is hard and voting in most places takes less than a hour total. If you tell me you’re trying to fight the good fight but you won’t sacrifice one hour for something with the equivalent punching weight many many times greater than that effort, I will assume you are either an absolute idiot or you’re just here in bad faith.
You’re never going to get an election victory that results in “now our opponent is dead forever. Congratulations you can stop paying attention and don’t have to try anymore”
There is no such thing as a final victory, you lose when you stop trying. No one wins forever.
I’m starting to suspect the anti-vax stuff is just people dressing up their fear of getting a needle, and the anti-electorial stuff is just people dressing up their excuse for why they don’t want to leave the house to run a quick errand.
LMFAO OP just tearing through the haters in the comments
Canonical Strawman Leftist™ describing their utopia: “Everyone votes on everything, and we engage in thoughtful discussion to persuade our neighbors to make good choices with their votes.”
Same leftist describing today: “Voting is pointless, and it’s impossible to change anyone’s mind.”
