Under the cover of heavy air strikes and artillery shelling, large Israeli ground forces directly and systematically attack homes and buildings used as shelters by displaced families, forcing everyone out at gunpoint.
The buildings, including UN schools and houses, are subsequently either razed or burned by Israeli soldiers to prevent people from returning.
Troops then separate men from women, before taking them to humiliating field interrogations and later abducting many of them to unknown locations.
Women and children are forced to head south of Jabalia refugee camp. Some were bombed and killed as they fled, according to media reports
anyone who didn’t see this coming raise your hands.
ok, now everyone with your hands raised head south and we promise not to bomb you.
the few moral threads i have remaining regarding the existence of the israeli state are beginning to snap
Not op, but: The citizens aren’t all or always a reflection of government actions.
Trauma, real or perceived, can cause irrational behavior and beliefs.
Propaganda and methods of behavior control and modification are powerful. Fear of speaking out in a culture of vengeance.
Bibi et al are pure evil. That’s certain. IDF: evil. Some citizens: evil.
Some citizens: not evil
That said, the current state of Israeli governance no longer has any validity in any of its words or actions. It must be boycotted, embargoed, sanctioned, and dismantled.
Its leadership must face the judgment of their god for the abominations committed.
After they are judged at the Hague.
Israelis broke that rapist of prisoners out of jail and paraded him around on TV. They prevented him from facing consequences because they believe Palestinians are that much lesser, that their suffering does not matter, and no too great of crime can be done against them.
When the Zionist forces ramp up violence, Bibi’s ratings increased. When they bombed Lebanon, targeting hospitals, Bibi’s ratings increased. Their marches in the streets are not to end the genocide, they are to demand the full restoration of their status as ethnic supremacists. To return every hostage, even if that means destroying every hosoital, burning refugee camps.
There are Israelis that have compassion and work against apartheid, but they are an extremely small minority. The vast majority of the country are apartheid ethnic supremacist settler colonists and they are just as racist and crybullying as you would expect. This ideology permeates, they are taught it was children and it is reinforced through school, military service, and mass media.
Watch or read Israeli-targeted Israeli media. They do not put in the show they usually do for the world audience. They are just openly racist.
Such a society can only be addressed through disempowerment. When they lose their power, their ability to oppress per their expectations, when people get their homes back, a substantial portion of settlers will leave the country of their own volition, much like the whites of South Africa, while the others seek to retain as much of apartheid as they can and, if justice orevails, will fail to do so while their children receive a proper education in how genocide is, in fact, wrong.
Bibi is evil, but he’s absolutely a scapegoat for the evil of the Israeli government and even the people, as it is basically never reported in the west how his approval went up after escalating against Lebanon, and he generally is pushed to take more severe (and heinous) action by the bulk of the Israeli people. That’s not to say every one of them is a bad person or Bibi is less evil, but every single one who is good is an anti-zionist.
Destroying the state of Israel, contrary to Zionist propaganda, does not mean killing all the Israelis, nor imprisoning them or otherwise punishing them. It means destroying the government apparatus that, from the beginning of its very existence, has been a racial-supremacist settler-colonial entity, and investigating what evidence is turned up in its records and punishing the actual criminals accordingly. Oh, and returning stolen homes where there’s anyone still surviving to reclaim them.
I wonder if much of Israel underwent a moral drain (kinda like a brain drain but a lot of those “not evil” people made the good decision to stop being part of an apartheid state), and young people are immediately indoctrinated either by their parents/schools at an early age or by the state (via military service) at 18. I am beginning to see how skewed and ugly the current ideological composition of Israel is.
I’m no expert but like, if the state is dissolved don’t you suddenly have ten million Jews you need to relocate and house somewhere? It just seems like a logistical problem of insane proportions that nobody is ready to solve, and to me it’s not really an acceptable outcome to the conflict
But also they won’t stop committing genocide against their neighbors and stealing their land. So I don’t know
The EU should put their money where their mouth is and carve out a portion of their own territories into a Jewish state then (not US territory since that would only result in Indigenous land being further colonized). Instead of them insisting that the Jews need their own homeland on someone else’s land.
Dissolving Israel doesn’t mean kicking every Jewish person out. There are Jewish people in Palestine already, and the point is to make a multiethnic state, not replace one ethnostate with another. Many Israelis would definitely leave for a number of reasons, very much like how a meaningful part of the white population fled South Africa in the wake of Apartheid being defeated, but there are houses where there are no other claimants and, God forbid, the remaining former Israelis can also just buy or rent homes instead of stealing them. There would be a big population shift, but there is absolutely no need to build a 10-million-person-ark.
Yeah, I used to think a two state solution was eventually workable, but now I see this whole project needs to be stopped.
This has been Israel since inception. The early Zionists were always very open about their intentions. Their “Greater Israel” plan has existed for generations. Palestinians did not grab a weapon as their first choice but their last.
The difference is our ability to see everything on social media now.
Netanyahu does not care that Israel is now known worldwide as the genocidal state.
Makes me wonder if the soldiers doing this are like the German soldiers that decided it was easier to go along with what they were told or the ones who got a reputation for enthusiastically enjoying this kind of shit.
I saw an article recently that looked at the rates of suicide in Israeli soldiers. One guy, who featured heavily in the article, had killed himself after being an IDF bulldozer driver. The article tried to dial up sympathy for him, but additional coverage (in response to this article) highlighted that this guy had posted some pretty horrifying stuff on social media — stuff like videos and photos of him in Gaza, being pretty jovial as he drove through bodies and buildings. I wonder whether the PTSD he experienced afterwards was a sort of moral immune system, and that once he was away from the kind of military camaraderie that normalises atrocities, if he began to reflect on his part in this genocide. At least for him, we’ll never know.
A Jewish, anti-Zionist friend who lived in Israel for a while said that it was disturbing to see how much the Holocaust was leveraged to make people feel scared and insecure. I imagine many members of the IDF do genuinely believe that most, if not all Palestinians hate all Jews and want them to die. That way, they can enthusiastically participate, believing that they are on the side of justice.
I once punched a Nazi at a gig, and I did enjoy it, because it feels good to be righteous and angry. Enough so that it makes me anxious about how easy it would be to lean into anger if it feels righteous.
