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Also, Americans are too poor/cheap to spend money on proper infrastructure, so they use old closed asphalt and have poorly designed and maintained roads where the water just pools on top when it rains.

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Pretty dramatic oversimplification that appeals to predetermined biases.

Here is a resource detailing the different types of asphalt mix and their appropriate use cases.

Particularly note the following:

[Open-graded] mixtures should only be used on high- or medium-traffic volume roadways with posted high speeds only.

Which directly refures the idea that using dense-graded asphalt is purely due to ā€œAmericans are too poor/cheap.ā€ The benefits of open-graded asphalt mixtures are lost if you apply it to low speed roadways.

No argument against the poor maintenance part though. Cheers šŸ„ÆšŸ„›ā˜€ļø

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That source has a pretty significant bias itself. It being from 2001 might be a clue as to why: before polymer-modified bitumen, there were many more downsides to using open asphalt mixes on anything but long, straight highways. Thatā€™s probably also why it only mentions hot-mix asphalt, which the Netherlands is basically banning next year for environmental reasons in favour of warm-mix. I REALLY hope this isnā€™t the latest version of this book.

Itā€™s true that high-speed roadways more greatly benefit from open asphalt, but itā€™s very much not true that open-graded mixtures donā€™t have benefits at lower speeds. They still reduce road noise by 5-7 db even at 50kph speeds, and of course the benefits of less water on the road is substantial. The downside is that there is more fraying, so using it at traffic lights or roundabouts is not a great idea. Even with modern PMB mixes and SAMI treatmeants that reduce fraying pretty effectively (which didnā€™t really exist in 2001 when that source was composed), a stone-mastic asphalt is still the go-to for areas with a lot of turning or braking.

But most of all, itā€™s more expensive to build and to maintain, and since maintenance is already pretty crap in a LOT of places (having 6 or 7 lane accessroads doesnā€™t help there) using open asphalt is probably a bad idea.

Source: Married a Dutch engineer, worked on a lot of roadbuilding projects myself (admitedly not in the design phase, I do know what gets put where here in the Netherlands).

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Thank you for sharing! I would be interested in more up-to-date resources if you have them. Additionally, I still believe that the ā€œpoor/cheapā€ element is not entirely accurate until further evidence is provided. You yourself seem to suggest that it is more related to the sheer size of freeways and interstates that make open-graded mixes cost-ineffective, which I agree with.

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What? You just made that up that has nothing to do with the question at habd

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huh? which part did I make up?

This being a closed-asphalt mix? Thatā€™s pretty obvious, since thereā€™s water pooled on top. That the road was poorly designed? Itā€™s a 6 or 7 lane accessroad, by definition thatā€™s poorly designed. That the maintenance is bad? Thereā€™s water pooling in dozens of places because either the road sagged from the weight of waiting cars (the lengthwise puddles) or from ripples caused by braking cars (widthwise puddles). Or that the US doesnā€™t spend money on infrastructure? I guess thatā€™s debatable (6 lane accessroads donā€™t come cheap after all).

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Not bothering to argue about Americans fucking up on infra investment, but I am curious why you keep calling that road an ā€œaccess roadā€ and make the generalization that having 6 or more lanes inherently makes it bad. Tell me more about this, because roads with that many lanes are a daily part of life when you live in a major metro area in the US (especially in the middle of the US where land is cheaper).

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Iā€™m a bit sleep deprived and the comment was only half on my screen.

I expected this to read ā€œAmericans are too poor/cheap to spend money on proper infrastructure, so they use (build) old wet roads instead of new dry ones.ā€

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Thatā€™s sadness. Modern American cinema is not subtle.

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Thatā€™s not an American thing thatā€™s a movie/TV making 101 thing, itā€™s for lighting reasons at night, I guess itā€™s this personā€™s first day watching movies.

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I was literally in a movie recently with inexplicably wet streets, and the director said it was because the extra reflected light looks great on film.

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by film do you mean vhs, betamax and video2000 or something else

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Those arenā€™t film, theyā€™re tape. Film is whatā€™s in the camera or shown through a projector and are visible to the naked eye. VHS, Betamax, and video2000 are magnetic tape formats that arenā€™t viewable with the naked eye. Regardless, ā€œon filmā€ is still a universally acceptable term for ā€œon the recorded videoā€ no matter the format because terms stick around in industries

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IMAX.

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Yeah, and it does. Itā€™s WAY more eye catching.

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Because most major us cities water the plants in the medians after sunset

That or they straight up wash the street. Both happen once sun sets

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ā€¦ it rained recently?

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