When you compare Biden to Trump vs. the effects on the Palestinians, were Trump president again, he would not just help the Israelis exterminate the Palestinians, but encourage them to do so quickly- as he’s already told Bibi to “finish it”. So your dichotomy is more than a bit disingenuous .

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If our only standard is not a Republican, then everytime Republicans lower their standards, they lower the only other option’s standards too.

It’s not fucking sustainable.

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You know I hear people say this and and yet the Democratic Party is further to the left than it was under Bill Clinton. So how does it follow? I mean I hear people say stuff like we keep moving further to the right and the Republicans certainly are, but I see a Democratic party that’s for gay rights and that didn’t use to exist. I see a Democratic Party that’s that’s talking about higher taxes on the wealthy and trade regulations and consumer protection Acts. None of that was true in the '90s. In the 90s the Democrats said the era of big government is over. Now Democrats are supporting good government policies. We can certainly support better government policies, and I personally would like to see them go much further , but I can’t see a scenario in which the Democratic party isn’t further left than they were.

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The democratic party didn’t even universally support abortion rights not that long ago.

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This. This all day long.

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Voting the lesser evil still leads to evil in the long run.

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You got a practical alternative you’d like to share with the class?

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Vote in your local elections, and support (or directly work to pass) election reform laws, particularly related to ditching the electoral college.

Not necessarily saying it’s the alternative, but it’s a start and local elections have larger personal impact most of the time.

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socialism

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When the choice is between the lesser evil, and losing our democracy, having our LGBTQ+ friends and family lose their rights to exist and feel good in their own skin, our sisters, mothers, and daughters losing their body autonomy…

I’ll take the lesser evil- ANY FUCKING DAY YOU ASK.

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But NOW we’ll start organizing… more than we had been previously! I swear we won’t declare victory and do basically nothing political at all for the next 4 years.

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And the short run.

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This does not logically follow.

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It really does though…

Overton window

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This is a proposed political idea. It doesn’t make it true and doesn’t make the statement that are options are reduced unless we all allow it to be true.

If the Republican decide to burn all gay people, one cannot claim to be a democrat because they simply want to gas them all.

We decide where the line is drawn. Ignore the propaganda that tells us we have no control over the process. That apathy is how the window shifts, not because the republicans shift.

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The Overton window is a way of framing change in the baseline ideology of a population. It is hardly a “law” or dogma of any kind. On its own it’s meaningless, you can’t just couch an argument in “…because of the Overton window.” It’s also got its valid detractors like broken window theory and such.

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Not in terms of pure logic but definitely in practical terms. You don’t get far in humanities if you only follow pure logic.

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So is societal which means it’s not a person or group but all of us. It isn’t just this one thing everyone on the left likes to point out as if that absolves them from having any personal responsibility in the matter.

The concept causes itself to exist by acceptance that it is inevitable.

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Remember how blaming individuals solved climate change, too?

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I’m starting to suspect that Taylor Swift doesn’t even care what we think!

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I remember!

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Could never of had a Bernie because Hillary bought the DNC.

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In exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised… This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.

Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.

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Emphasis mine. It was a captured field, with a performative primary - Hillary/‘s campaign abused their position against a broke DNC and elevated herself above all others.

Supreme court also ruled that this was fine and very cool, very legal.

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This is why young people need to vote in every election especially the local ones, even the ones that seem insignificant like a school board election. The only way for a Bernie to win a primary is if such a candidate is not an outlier. The entire party needs to move to the left and that starts from the ground up. Since people need to get exposed to more left wing politicians so left wing ideology becomes more normalized and at the moment it’s not.

When young people vote you get people like AOC and Omar into office. The only way to get a Bernie elected is if there are more AOCs and Omars filling seats in local, state and the federal government. From the school board all the way up to the Senate.

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You never really know what you of until you don’t of it anymore

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Too young to remember how bloodthirsty Hilary was as secretary of state. Member when “we came, we saw, he died tehe”?

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A lot of retrospective handwringing forgets this, or the vile comments that came out during Bill’s multiple sexual assault allegations.

Hillary was not the right candidate to fight Trump, Jeb Bush more likely. After Obama, returning to an establishment candidate was a mistake, and I don’t care if “it’s her turn” after stepping aside in 2008. Politics has real consequences for people who don’t vacation in the Hamptons.

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Yeah but she paved the way for ISIS with such girl power

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It didn’t all happen in 2016. Fascists have been quietly diminishing the power of the electorate for decades now. We’ll keep on having “the most important election of our lifetimes” until we manage to undo the damage. IF we manage to undo the damage.

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If we manage to have any more non-sham elections.

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The problem is fascists, but it is also compounded by neolib Democrats never reducing government authority either, but often even strengthening it, knowing full well that power can easily be seized by the extreme right at any time.

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