cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16391311

Andrej Karpathy endorses Apple Intelligence

Actually, really liked the Apple Intelligence announcement. It must be a very exciting time at Apple as they layer AI on top of the entire OS. A few of the major themes.

Step 1 Multimodal I/O. Enable text/audio/image/video capability, both read and write. These are the native human APIs, so to speak.

Step 2 Agentic. Allow all parts of the OS and apps to inter-operate via “function calling”; kernel process LLM that can schedule and coordinate work across them given user queries.

Step 3 Frictionless. Fully integrate these features in a highly frictionless, fast, “always on”, and contextual way. No going around copy pasting information, prompt engineering, or etc. Adapt the UI accordingly.

Step 4 Initiative. Don’t perform a task given a prompt, anticipate the prompt, suggest, initiate.

Step 5 Delegation hierarchy. Move as much intelligence as you can on device (Apple Silicon very helpful and well-suited), but allow optional dispatch of work to cloud.

Step 6 Modularity. Allow the OS to access and support an entire and growing ecosystem of LLMs (e.g. ChatGPT announcement).

Step 7 Privacy. <3

We’re quickly heading into a world where you can open up your phone and just say stuff. It talks back and it knows you. And it just works. Super exciting and as a user, quite looking forward to it.

https://x.com/karpathy/status/1800242310116262150?s=46

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Privacy?

  • Apple: trust me dude
  • Andrej: <3
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Apple secures third party audits for their devices and designs, additionally security researchers have methods of verifying certain aspects of device behavior. People dig into stuff and Apple has not only a history of good privacy design, but as far as I’m aware they’ve never been caught doing anything remotely out of scope of their tight knit privacy policies with user data. Your complaint is baseless.

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but as far as I’m aware they’ve never been caught doing anything remotely out of scope of their tight knit privacy policies with user data

That’s every interesting point. Let’s read a bit of their privacy policy :

At Apple, we believe that you can have great products and great privacy. This means that we strive to collect only the personal data that we need.

Hum, interesting… What do they need?

Apple, we may collect a variety of information, including:

  • Account Information. Your Apple ID and related account details, including email address, devices registered, account status, and age
  • Device Information. Data from which your device could be identified, such as device serial number, or about your device, such as browser type
  • Contact Information. Data such as name, email address, physical address, phone number, or other contact information
  • Payment Information. Data about your billing address and method of payment, such as bank details, credit, debit, or other payment card information
  • Transaction Information. Data about purchases of Apple products and services or transactions facilitated by Apple, including purchases on Apple platforms
  • Fraud Prevention Information. Data used to help identify and prevent fraud, including a device trust score

This one is particularly interesting, very very ambitious, this could be anything! What is the device trust score?

  • Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data
  • Location Information. Precise location only to support services such as Find My or where you agree for region-specific services, and coarse location
  • Health Information. Data relating to the health status of an individual, including data related to one’s physical or mental health or condition. Personal health data also includes data that can be used to make inferences about or detect the health status of an individual. If you participate in a study using an Apple Health Research Study app, the policy governing the privacy of your personal data is described in the Apple Health Study Apps Privacy Policy.
  • Fitness Information. Details relating to your fitness and exercise information where you choose to share them
  • Financial Information. Details including salary, income, and assets information where collected, and information related to Apple-branded financial offerings
  • Government ID Data. In certain jurisdictions, we may ask for a government-issued ID in limited circumstances, including when setting up a wireless account and activating your device, for the purpose of extending commercial credit, managing reservations, or as required by law
  • Other Information You Provide to Us. Details such as the content of your communications with Apple, including interactions with customer support and contacts through social media channels

Ok, it’s difficult for them to violate their own privacy policy when they literally reserve themselves the right to get anything they want.

BTW, some user-rights associations are not in agreement with Apple on this. Here is one example I could fine very quick: France fines Apple over App Store ad targeting ePrivacy breach | TechCrunch

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You do understand they use all this data to provide services using it and as such they have to disclose that in their privacy policy, right? For example, health data collection, is literally required to be disclosed to offer health services such as step tracking. You’re way way off base here.

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Did you even watch wwdc. Apple showed how its servers and data from device to the cloud were going to work. The entire thing is open to third party scrutiny and moreover, their servers won’t run on anything that isn’t. They are as transparent as basically Mullvad with ensuring you don’t come across a scenario like “trust me it’s secure bro.” Craig even joked that most businesses that rolled out AI privacy are doing just that.

Or would you rather just be an edgelord.

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comparing with mullvad is ridiculous and just shows how much you drank the apple juice without questioning

  • mullvad doesn’t hold your contact info, like apple right?
  • mullvad is open source so you can independently verified which data is being sent, just like apple right?
  • mullvad claims to not log anything, like apple and their csam thing on icloud right?

“leave alone the multi billion dollar corporation” energy

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Wow another idiot who did zero research into Apple’s implementation and just uses the “they are a billion dollar company” slam.

Not saying it’s better than Mullvad but it’s not nearly as poor as other VPNs. Also no, Apple doesn’t send your contact info or other details into the cloud, all that shit is anonymized.

I mean at least do SOME research into the service you’re slamming and saying is just as insecure as CoPilot+ ffs.

Yes. Lemmy needs hate Apple. We get it.

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No source-code, no trust. How good is my data on their super secure servers if they have the encryption keys.

How good is a 3rd party scrutiny if those are mandated and paid by Apple to make the audits?

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They said people will be able to independently verify their claims.

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Again you’re just talking out your ass. Anyway.

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You almost certainly run all of your software on code you lack access to the source for. Firmware and etc has been completely proprietary for ages. There’s even a tiny proprietary os embedded in almost every processor on the planet. Your statement lacks context of computing and shows a misplacement of trust.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/minix-intels-hidden-in-chip-operating-system/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Platform_Security_Processor

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It’s fascinating to see someone who is positioned as “one of the top 3-10 AI scientists in the world” endorsing a platform based on some marketing videos, without even trying it, let alone reviewing any of the critical details.

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To be fair, I think he is mostly endorsing the concept of the implementation, lined out in his seven points, not the actual implementation since it isn’t available yet.

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The tone and the writing style seem to imply otherwise, it’s almost like PR copytext. For example, Point 7 arguably contradicts Point 5 and 6. It’s like an infomercial for tech fans.

Although I see what you mean with respect to the concept of implementation and the actual implementation.

Personally, I think this is more of a financial play, he’s got to be thinking about how to maximize benefits (financial, status) in the next few years before the hype dies down. This is a very cynical mode of thinking; but I think my cynicism is justified.

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I mean, the way I see it he also has an economic incentive to endorse more AI everywhere.

On the other hand he seems to be one of the people actually pushing for saner legislation.

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Awesome satire. Not gonna lie, had me in the first half

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Privacy ;)

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Someone who didn’t watch the keynote on how transparent their servers are going to be but prefers to just be an edgelord.

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Who?

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Well - On the one hand he used to work for OpenAI and Tesla.

On the other hand he used to work at OpenAI and Tesla.

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