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They 100% would stop you if they could.

It’s why Google’s website DRM thing was so scary.

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I was once working for a project in a bank, a developer answered me to why they go app only, because “you don’t know what people do with their browser”.

It’s only about the feeling of control (and some paranoia), not about security.

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Because they want to “protect” you from “yourself”. Imagine, you could scrape your own data that you can already see.

I’d be really worried if the security of server operation for my bank depended on the client-side. But playing devils advocate, some people will most likely point out that a root exploit on a phone may be unintentional and used to spy on people, to which I answer:

  • show me a big scary box where I can “accept the risk” and move on
  • keep in mind that if I am root on my phone, I can hide the fact that I am root on my phone and you’ll be none the wiser

Currently, option 2 is in effect, sadly.

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The issue with option one is that scammers get old (or not technical) people to do stuff when they don’t know what they’re doing and click the box not knowing what they just did. So yes very frequently they need to protect people from themselves because they’re dumb, but I still expect banks to do business with those dumb people, sooo… Option 2 it is.

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Ok but also What tech illiterate person roots there phone

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I think I just figured it out, hang on with me.

It’d be the tech literate person in the family. The nephew that’s working as a programmer or something like that. Now, if that nephew has some interest in stealing their uncles money, they now have access to their bank account through a freely rooted phone.

This gives them a lot of options, which I don’t have to explain.

Given that a lot of scams actually happen between presumed family and friends…

Yeah I kinda get why banks are doing this

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Rooted mobile devices are a reasonable signal they been have hacked and security features might be disabled or work as expected.

It just banks, a lot of corporate security polices don’t allow rooted devices, as they could bypass mobile device management policies for devices owned by the company.

With laptops it’s a different story. Whether users have Mac, Linux or Windows, there’s a reasonable chance they have admin access too, so checking for root access is not such a useful signal there.

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So just warn the user that it’s their own responsibility and all claims are waived, instead of just saying “no” ?

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There is parallel with masking. The bank values the safety of the whole rather than the freedom to root for an individual. You stand to lose only your own bank balance. The bank stands to lose the funds of every rooted phone that contains a banking app exploit targeting them.

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I mean, they get that anyway with malware and security exploits. Except that rooted phones usually have a root manager, which asks for permission if an app wants to do more. And i don’t think the root user listening into the app/their own account should be a problem; because in this case the problem is with the banks’ security practice.

Well, at least my bank doesn’t care about root or safety net.

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I actually heard something about that in class not long ago

The story is that Android’s security heavily relies on the compartmentalization of apps that lives in the android layer, over the Linux kernel. Apparently, that functionality works in part because only this layer can perform operations that require root access, no app or user can. So software that allows you to root your phone apparently breaks this requirement, and makes the whole OS insecure. He even heavily implied that one should never root their phone with ‘free’ software found on the internet because that was usually a front for some nefarious shit regarding your data.

I’m just parroting a half-understood and half-remebered speech from a security expert. His credentials were impressive but I have no ability to judge that critically, if anyone knows more about this feel free to correct me.

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Isn’t saying that allowing apps to have root lets them access anything just describing what root is? A rooted phone doesn’t have to give superuser access to every app.

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I wouldn’t even feel compelled to root my phones if Google would actually back up my phone instead of whatever 1/4 baked shit they’ve done thus far.

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I’ve been using android since 2010, and it’s gotten significantly better over the years. There’s only a few things it doesn’t back up, like text messages and app data, most of which you don’t need.

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