183 points

She was on one of the teams that did if I remember correctly. I believe they split up into three teams and developed algorithms independently from one another. What surprised everyone was when they came back, all three teams had more or less the same image. It’s been a while so I may be wrong on some details. But it wasn’t just her is my point.

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165 points

The media loves to make single people heroes because it’s easier to sell.

I think in reality, nobody makes anything alone.

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It’s the hero myth that came to life at the time of Beethoven, of a misunderstood genius. Yes that guy was pretty good at what he did, but it was simply that he got progressively deaf and couldn’t socialize with people anymore.

From that to marvel movies stereotype of one man prodigy and media idolizing individuals with sob stories.

Look at Nobel prizes in science, they’re often multiple names, and behind each names there’s countless decades of graduate students contributions and their teams.

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It’s even older: The myth of individual excellence is at least as old as the phenomenon of a distinct class of a warrior aristocracy. All throughout history, you’ll see the elite (as most historians and poets were, because a peasant working for subsistence doesn’t have the time to write deep musings about that time he got conscripted for war and stood in a line with all the other common peasants) writing of this or that great general or warrior, despite most of just about everything being done by groups.

You might know about the great heroes of the Iliad, excelling in battle by taking down a key figure of the opposing side, but most people probably don’t spend a lot of time thinking about the mass of “common” infantry on either side, let alone about the servants carrying the hoplites’ stuff.

You might find a lot of medieval works focused on the glory and honor of a knight, but the (comparatively) poor spear-and-shield conscripts receive attention mostly in official documents detailing the way their army was to be raised (see the section “Ninth-Century Rohirrim” here).

Even when thinking about heavy cavalry charges, for the longest time I never gave much thought to the value of coordinated cohesion between them. The knights’ charge is still a group effort, where an isolated warrior - great hero or not - would be doomed. And while we may be aware that knights had a squire, the rest of the retinue wouldn’t be clear to everyone:

Clifford Rogers notes one (fictional and lavish, but not outrageous) war party “suitable for a baron or banneret” included a chaplain, three heralds, four trumpeters, two drummers, four pages, two varlets (that is, servants for the pages), two cooks, a forager, a farrier, an armorer, twelve more serving men (with horses, presumably both as combatants and as servants), and a majordomo to manage them all – in addition to the one lord, three knights and nine esquires (C. Rogers, Soldiers’ Lives through History: the Middle Ages (2007), 28-9).

(Citation copied from this entry of the same blog as before)

Ever since there has been an elite with the leisure to write and document, served by a lower class who didn’t, there has been a tendency to emphasise these elites’ individual value and omit the group effort of all the invisible people contributing to that value.

I don’t know if that is the cultural inspiration for the modern trend of focusing on single individuals or simply a symptom of a similar cause, but there is a certain resemblance that I suspect isn’t pure coincidence.

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For the number of times women were straight up erased from their scientific achievements I think we can keep choosing them to represent the team for a bit.

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This. Men got so angry when this story dropped and took personal offense to the fact a woman did something important and valuable. The amount of times women have had their work stolen and taken credit for by some bro far outweighs the recognition.

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Or maybe attribute everyone equally - regardless of gender / sex, since that doesn’t matter to what they do? You don’t fix injustice with more injustice by skipping the contributions of other teams and only singleing her out.

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I’m fine with this.

As long as the team gets recognition in the more formal documents then let the media have whoever they’d like.

It’s like doing set up for a show. Let the headliner be the focus but acknowledging the people who made it happen is really nice.

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2 points

Definitely, I’ve not heard of any shenanigans with their paper. So they still get credit. It’s just not a media headline.

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15 points

It’s almost never just one person, science is teamwork, but that doesn’t mean she’s not an excellent scientist and project leader worthy of the buzz surrounding her research. Let’s let her have the spotlight she deserves.

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This is her youtube channel. If you haven’t read the paper on this algorithm, I think you can get a good intuitive understanding by watching the two videos she has on there from (what looks like) her thesis, and I think it becomes clear why she was selected to lead this project.

Specifically, these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGvPinTJUs

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhQ7WkbHms

So, consider that these two videos are basically the “one-dimensional” solution, or one pin-hole camera example. In the approach that her and her team to image the black hole, they used many, many radio antennas’, all acting in concert in a not-too different version of what she did her for the work on her YT channel.

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She has a great ted talk about this exact proj

https://youtu.be/BIvezCVcsYs?feature=shared

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too bad - that you leached on your senior collaborators who did ALL and every intellectual part of the project - all for your credit; you are what I call an instagram scientist - too bad for science that such people who do any third-rate cheating act for publicity - like Katie Bouman exists @JosephDT

Seems like somebody is unhappy with her being chosen

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6 points

Gotta love misogyny

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3 points

At the same time the media kinda picked her out as the face of this project when there were many other people involved. I think she even said as much.

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1 point

Yeah and IIRC the dude the Internet misogynists decided was responsible for most of the code said ‘Shut up everyone I did some leg work, but she did the heavy lifting.’ Plus he’s queer or something else which would have had those fuckers in shambles had they known.

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36 points

Yeah it’s cool but where meme?

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105 points

This is a science community, we work on the Dawkins definition of meme.

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The vast majority of posts on this community are internet memes that don’t fit that definition.

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4 points

Wait, do you mean the definition of the community or Dawkins’ meme definition?

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2 points

How come they don’t?

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31 points

Her happiness is contagious!

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22 points

Dude in the back is looking at the result with the same intensity as a teenager seeing boobs for the first time.

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16 points

That dude’s not even looking at the computer screen. I give even odds that what he’s looking at on his phone is boobs.

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35 points

You’ve never done this?

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29 points

Back in my day that was called the Kubrick Tilt

Damn kids and their Chinese cartoons

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3 points

Yooo is that the train guy? I fucking love that man’s soul and will die protecting him like some feudal lord.

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