Watch out, you’re going to be banned for espousing incorrect doctrine.
Ironic that you’re using the comic about using bad faith debates in order to shut down this thread complaining about bad faith debates on ML.
Ever heard of horseshoe theory?
That repeatedly disproven line of horseshit? Yeah I’ve heard of it. Wasn’t impressed.
Horseshoe theory is debunked nonsense, using it like a trump card in an argument is hilarious.
Read Blackshirts and Reds, by the way.
What’s a “tankie,” in your eyes, and how are they meaningfully distinct from Communists? Marxists defend AES, can acknowledge the failures and struggles of AES while praising the myriad successes as well, it’s liberals that always refuse to have a nuanced take on AES.
Secondly, there is no such thing as a “balance of both” Capitalism and Socialism. Either the Proletariat is in charge or the Bourgeoisie are in charge, and as such there will never be a balance.
Ohh, fine then. From your opinion i concluded all communist is just a bunch of extremist like you i guess, because no nuance allowed. It’s all black and white.
The famously unnuanced discipline that is dialectical materialism 😂
Gotcha, so the anti-Deng ultraleft Maoists who denounce the modern PRC are the “tankies.” You’ll be happy to know that they are a fringe view among modern Marxists, especially fringe on Lemmy.
Also, ban evasion, misogyny, and homophobia all in one comment? Is that a bingo?
Yes, being crushed by the weight of your own poor arguments, comprehension, and philosophy is probably quite an accurate way to describe arguing against a communist.
The authoritarian left and the liberal left have so little in common that it’s frustrating the term “left” encompasses both.
And the authoritarians try to reconcile this issue by saying we liberals are actually on the right. How wonderful!
To be clear, you were saying Capitalism is left wing. They are using Liberal, as in Libertarian, not as in the actual meaning of Liberal as in Capitalist.
There is a difference.
A lot of people who claim to be liberal, just aren’t left wing. The good example is the FDP party in Germany.
To quote Wikipedia: The FDP’s political position has variously been described as centrist, centre-right, and right-wing. The FDP has been described as liberal, conservative-liberal, classical-liberal, and liberal-conservative. Other sources have described the party as libertarian or right-libertarian.
There are left wing liberals, but don’t act like they usually call themselves liberal.
The “authoritarian” left is just the framework of every revolution that actually won. There is a very special kind of Western detached romantic chauvinist “left” that believes only in failed and failing pure leftism and tragedy and is shocked and outraged at what it means to win, to establish defenses, to keep a nation or nations running.
There is no liberal left. Liberals are the mainstream political and are by definition conservative under global capitalism.
Many of those aforementioned nations aren’t exactly still running, though.
You can argue with communists, you can’t argue with fanboys or those who accepted Marx as the one and true Messiah and tell you to read ze book instead of providing any points. But that’s applicable to pretty much every topic (oop bad, for example).
I’m happy to hear this coming from someone on ml. At least some of you still possess the ability to reason.
Sorry to disappoint, but I’m not exactly into Marxism-Leninism, I’m more of an anarchist myself (the idea of dictatorship, be it of a working class or anyone else, doesn’t sit right with me). And ml was chosen at the time just due to it being hosted by the Lemmy devs
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat isn’t a literal dictatorship, but an establishment of Proletarian supremacy over Capital. It’s still democratic.
The dictatorship of the proletarist refers to the reversal of class dynamics in which the working class becomes the ruling class of a country and by necessity oppresses the owner class (e.g. expropriation of factories). It is not literal dictators.
Lemmy was created by communists and the ml instance is administered by them.
