In reference to this thread:
- https://lemm.ee/post/44491669
- https://lemmy.world/post/20694710
- https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/23365372
Tl,dr:
- ClubsAll is a closed source platform which fetches Lemmy content
- ClubsAll however does allow Lemmy instances to federate its communities (!clubsall@clubsall.com gives an error, see https://lemm.ee/post/44491669/15374449)
- Comments from ClubsAll do federate to Lemmy communities: (https://lemmy.world/comment/12828092 / https://clubsall.com/posts/what-food-and-or-drink-will-you-eat-when-you-are-senile-and-forget-you-already-had-it-the-meal-before-oD_s4)
- It is not possible to host a ClubsAll instance at the moment
What do you all think about this?
Personally, I think it’s quite unfair for them to federate all our posts and comments, and make their platform appear busy, while they don’t allow federation of their own content, and they don’t allow self-hosting either.
If we imagine what could happen in the future
- As they are on ProductHunt, they manage to raise a few millions, hire devs, develop every feature you can think about under the sun
- Fediverse users move massively to ClubsAll to enjoy the new features, Redditors move too because it’s better than Reddit
- Over time, due to those new features and other “technical reasons”, federation with Lemmy and others becomes clunky, or completely stops
- Meta / Google / Reddit buys ClubsAll and start to look how to extract a profit from the large userbase, enshittifies the mobile app, the web interface, etc.
Seems to bring us back to the current Reddit situation with extra steps.
Unless their users can interact here it’s going to be dead there
I have to open an account there to try, but I’m pretty sure they can.
Also, I forgot to point out that their interface is very fast and polished, and they have a few nice features (such as multicommunities, though hard-coded and not user-based). This might draw some users there.
If you do, let me know what instance those users post onto here. So I can block it
I just checked, it does federate:
- https://lemmy.world/comment/12828092
- https://clubsall.com/posts/what-food-and-or-drink-will-you-eat-when-you-are-senile-and-forget-you-already-had-it-the-meal-before-oD_s4 (sort by new)
Edit: also notice how the Fediverse link on LW does not work, it gives an error instead of redirect to the ClubsAll comment
I’m OP, I guess I wasn’t clear.
- !clubsall@clubsall.com does not work, the clubsall communities cannot be federate from Lemmy instances
- comments from clubsall do federate, as seen above
jesus fuck, man. ive blocked you like three times. how many accounts do you have
I think I might start adding a suffix to my posts
If you are reading this on CurbsAll, it was stolen from Lemmy.
I dont like the idea of defederation from a free speach perspective. But ive said this before and ill say it again. One direction federation is not federation it is theft.
Surly we can establiah a federation policy (across as many instances as nessasary) with the following:
- No federating content to or from any other instance in a single direction.
- No federating sponsored or paid content that is not marked as sponsored in both human and machine readable format.
- No federating with any instance that does not follow these rules.
- No using content if these rules are not complied with
I think we need to establish these 4 as the prerequisite of a continued open and free fediverse.