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As someone who consumes a lot of ancient history, it can also make you like “Ah yes, another city rises, another is displaced by climate disaster, and another falls due to land mismanagement. ‘Tis the way of things.”

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Nonsense, I look on Ozymandias, king of kings’ works daily and despair!

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I was literally thinking about this poem moments ago.

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It’s one of the greats.

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It’s true. I wonder how many ancient Babylonians, Greeks, Chinese, Egyptians, Persians, Romans thought:

“Surely, this empire will last forever! Look upon our works, ye mighty, and despair!” (EDIT: LOL It appears we’re all of one mind remembering this poem. We must be doing something right. XD)

Especially in modern times it’s insanely difficult to imagine the geopolitics shifting drastically, but it’s happened before, it’s happening now. The difference being that the rest of the globe is now much more invested in your shenanigans with your neighbors, but it’s still happening.

What does one do amidst a regime change?

I’m glad I’ve never had to seriously consider it until now. …but it unnerves me that I probably need to start.

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You forgot an important difference between ancient history and now. Now, when the empire falls it has the power to take the biosphere with it.

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how does one consume ancient history? do you eat the source documents?

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That’s unrealistic— some of them are etched into stone

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You need some papurus dust to sprinkle on those, like a lick-a-stick.

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Civilizations of a heirarchal centralized type definitely feel like temporary abberations, after reading Graeber and Wengrow

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It is emotionally and intellectually painful using critical thinking while those around you are calling the other side Nazis.

1 Nazis are bad 2 The other side are bad 3 The other side are Nazis Optional: add an example that confirms bias

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Both sides calling the others Nazis doesn’t imply that centrists are using critical thinking. It just means that one side is lying. Nazism is a far right ideology.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.”

— Jean-Paul Sartre

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Nazis and tankies are both totalitarian - people just seem to have forgotten the term.

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Boy I sure do love living through historical events that will likely end up in textbooks in the future

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My history teacher said that the greatest curse you can give someone is telling them “May you live in interesting times” and boy do I feel that now.

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Bold of you to presume that people will be allowed to read about these times, in the future:-).

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That’s why I said they’ll likely be in textbooks, no guarantee lol

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Fair enough!:-)

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May you live in interesting times…

Edit: Ah, was done below, great minds…

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I’ve been working through a few biographies of the top brass of Nazidom, and even with the rather perfunctory understanding I’ve gained from these books of Hitler’s seizure of power and all that followed in Nazi Germany, my ears are pricking up in horror every day as I listen to the latest news from around the world. And I’m not even going so far as the Holocaust. If the Holocaust and WWII never happened, the Nazi regime would still have been an unmitigated nightmare.

The language certain politicians are using is plucked directly from the mouths of Goebbels’ and Himmler’s rotting corpses. How can they not see what lies ahead if they continue with this shit? We know how this story ends. We have examples of it from recent memory, we don’t even need to cast our minds back to the 1930s 🤷‍

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The language certain politicians are using is plucked directly from the mouths of Goebbels’ and Himmler’s rotting corpses. How can they not see what lies ahead if they continue with this shit?

What’s even more infuriating is that when you try to point this out to others, they act like you’re insane/exaggerating.

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…because most don’t study the rise and causes of what happened. They only study the result. “Never again” refers to the holocaust, but nobody puts that sign on the the road that led to it.

  • Wealth disparity and inflation
  • Fear of “others” taking what little people have
  • Traumatized populations from decades of war

With populations scared and desperate, they’ll latch on to any demigogue that appears.

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But it’s not literally the Holocaust again, so it’s fine /s

I’m trans, god help me…

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poland better not be the epicentre again - signed a Polish trans person

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Not literally the Holocaust again yet.

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I am not familiar with this, would you share what country you are talking about?

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Germany for example. The AfD is gaining more and more support by using phrases like “This development that is happening right now, creation of mixed populations to destroy the national identity and thus give our autonomy to the EU - that is simply not bearable!”, “Such humans we should of course dispose of”, “When a [n-word] in my neighborhood coughs at me, I have to know if he is sick or is he not sick.” or “The reason why we are being flooded with culturally foreign people like Arabs, Sinti and Roma is the systematic destruction of civil society.” https://www.volksverpetzer.de/analyse/10-rechtsextreme-zitate-der-afd/

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To be fair, they curently decide to see the AFD as an extremist organization.

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Some of them see it, and approve.

Others are old and mentally ill, and care only for what power they can gain in their remaining few years, regardless of what that will bring later.

Others are merely useful, and go along with whoever is currently in power.

Others are afraid, so they do not oppose the changes, for fear of losing what they have, and desperately cling to hope that something else will stop the worst from happening.

Others…

and on and on it goes, just as it did before, just as it ever was, and quite frankly, now I see that so will it ever be.

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It does feel a bit 1930s at the moment doesn’t it

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the decent thing to do for WW3 is to start it on the 100th anniversary of WW2.

i can only hope that the '39s would serve as a reminder each century to just fucking stop. (but more importantly, i hope to be naturally dead by then)

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Until the last contemporary witness dies at least.

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