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naw. Fuedal is the tax guy shows up and demands payment. this is something else.

Maybe it’s a Fin-dom kink?

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I dunno, I feel like the hierarchical nature of feudalism is more core than tribute extraction. The lord needs the support of his loyal vassals, while the loyal vassals only need their lord insofar as they crave a ruler over themselves - or over their despised peers, for which they are willing to sacrifice money and dignity, and sometimes even their lives.

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They still needed land, though. Trump’s promise of fossil capitalism might resemble that land, but the whole comparison shakes a bit.

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It would be awfully hard for a vassal landholder to get the kind of materials that they can’t produce on their own. Iron, tin, copper, lead; depending on the area, lumber, as well.

There was also the military presence keeping the brigandry in check (including from other feudal lords.)

Vassals also exchanged military service for land. (And the serfs that came with it!)

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It would be awfully hard for a vassal landholder to get the kind of materials that they can’t produce on their own. Iron, tin, copper, lead; depending on the area, lumber, as well.

Yet most fiefs during the height of feudalism were autarkic, and engaged in minimal trade, much less redistribution from their overlord.

There was also the military presence keeping the brigandry in check (including from other feudal lords.)

Considering how rampant brigandry was, dunno how valid that is. As for other feudal lords, those are, of course, the peers they despise.

Vassals also exchanged military service for land. (And the serfs that came with it!)

Land could not simply be revoked in most feudal systems, though, and was more often inherited than granted by the overlord.

None of your points are wrong, necessarily, but I don’t think they’re major compared to the core pillar of “I trust my overlord to oppress me only a moderate amount, while I don’t trust my neighbors not to oppress me a much greater amount, so I would like it very much if my overlord would just oppress everyone. I’ll lick his boots for it.” It becomes especially apparent in Bastard Feudalism of England and in the later feudal system of Japan in which land revenue, rather than land itself, was what was granted to many warrior-vassals.

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I agree here. Feudalism to me was a system to maintain order by splitting the kingdom into essentially vassal states that worked relatively independently through a kings central government rules.

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Pardon my ignorance… Who lives in this house?

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Oh. Idk that I’ve ever seen a picture of his modest house. Lol

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This is something I see a lot with the houses that have Trump signs in my area. They always have a multitude of run down cars, a house that is falling apart, a bunch of stuff in their yard that are not lawn ornaments, and occasionally are fenced in. It’s pretty consistent and they always have Trump signs and flags even though voting for Harris would likely help them afford to fix up their cars or house.

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I think the fact that Harris would help everybody is the dealbreaker.

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Oh 100%, they don’t want minorities to benefit from it so they’d rather fuck themselves over than allow everyone to have a better standard of living.

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Maybe it’s a post hoc ergo procter hoc, ie. the run down property, and voting for Trump, are both symptoms of the same thing: That life’s been hard, that they are in over their heads, and that nothing seems manageable anymore. (Doesn’t it sound an awful lot like undiagnosed neuro divergence?)

Maybe voting for Trump initially was an f you to the intellectual elite that “are keeping them down”? After a while it became part of the identity. And now they may not have much going for them, but they have their savior Trump.

I just noticed that both previous paragraphs starts with “maybe”, that wasn’t planned, but it doesn’t convey my own doubts.

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I mean with all those hurricanes the man’s probably drowning in insurance premiums alone!

/S

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