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I saw some videos of people from Lebanon celebrating his death.

also saw some mourning his death.

beats me

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It’s almost like the views of the population of an entire country can’t be distilled down to a single binary statement. 🤷‍♂️

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Do people forget politics exist outside their own country?

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You’d think more people would realise this

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But asians always generalise so much.

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It’s really quite miserable that Israel has chosen to fuck the people of Lebanon over in all of this when Hezbollah is a legitimately shitty terrorist org. But unfortunately, that seems par for the course for Israel.

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How would you fight hezbollah and not hit any civilians?

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It’s a question of proportionality. I’m generally sympathetic to the impossibility of waging war without civilian collateral damage, but Israel is clearly taking very little care to minimize civilian casualties with indiscriminate artillery fire and air strikes, and on the heels of an already legally questionable attack on Hezbollah just previously.

Civilians die in war. It’s ugly. I get that. But there’s no excuse for any supposedly modern and civilized state to not attempt to minimize civilian casualties proportional to the military objectives targeted.

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I don’t think it’s clear that they are not trying to minimize civilian casualties, it’s hard to imagine a more targeted attack than the pager attack.

I don’t know what the numbers are like for the Lebanon part of the war, obviously, but in almost all modern conflicts we see that between 25 and 80% of casualties are civilians. I imagine we’re on the high end here as hezbollah like to fight and hide amongst civilians and use them as shields.

I struggle to see how you can combat such an organization without heavy civilian casualties, no matter how you go about it. I’m not saying the Israelis are not making mistakes or even being disproportionate at times, but I just can’t see how you’re going to fight hezbollah without heavy collateral damage.

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Hitting civilians is the point. The Israelis literally call it the Dahiyeh Doctrine and it is military policy.

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I mean I’d start by not committing genocide. And not keep bombing their people in foreign territory. The whole premise is flawed because there’s no need for Israel and Hezbollah to fight.

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Ah yeah „they are human shields“ while IOF soldiers were filmed literally spanning wounded Palestinians over the hood of their jeeps and also let them walk into tunnels first so that they’d eat any potential booby trap.

No. They are not using human shields, you have no proof for that, but there’s proof that Israel is doing this systematically. And even if they would be doing that, it would be still murder to kill civilians.

Israel is a genocidal settler colonialist apartheid entity which needs to be abolished, Palestine needs to be decolonized so that people there can live in peace, equality and safety. None of this is possible while Palestinians are oppressed. This is the solution, Israel extending their genocide to Lebanon on the other hand isn’t.

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How can you claims that Israel doesn’t target civilians when fact say otherwise like the dahiya doctrine and Israel high ranking officials statements?

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Only a part of Lebanese, they wouldn’t be part of the government otherwise

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