I just want to oppose Israeli genocide without saying that the “A Curse Upon The Jews” folks targeting random countries’ civilian shipping are kosher (ha) because they said they’re doing it for A Really Good Cause, Promise™, despite the utter lack of apparent effect on that cause, and dubious mechanisms for even its theoretical effect on that cause.
Israeli genocide? Or the Houthis having “A Curse Upon The Jews” on their flag?
The Houthis thing. The Israeli genocide is fairly straight forward to understand.
Bonus: Apple spellcheck does its damnedest to not acknowledge the genocide. Someone should have words with Tim Apple.
I am very disturbed by mean words on a flag and a naval blockade in protest to an ongoing genocide.
Hmmm
“Naval blockade” here meaning “attacking random civilian ships in international waters because they MIGHT be Jews”
Yes, I am sure this is how a naval blockade against a particular country works, you just pick a handful of civilian ships at random to shoot at and claim they were secretly part of your enemies. War crimes are okay when it’s Your Side (and apparently, your side is the Islamofascists, very curious)
EDIT: Of course, they’re a Tiananmen Square denier too. How predictable.
Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.
How many war crimes on balance?
Being against Israel is not the one and only measure for whether a group is good or not
Doing more to stop a genocide than the western powers sending weapons.
“By killing Fillipino civilian sailors heading to Saudi Arabia, this will finally stop the genocide of Palestinians by Israel!”
Have fun with your war crimes.
How many war crimes on balance?
‘on balance’?
What, is this some kind of fucking game to you? “They committed war crimes, so we can commit so war crimes too”? Jesus fucking Christ. How utterly morally bankrupt.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/middle-east-monitor/
Your source is shit and so are theirs.
Bending over backwards to support theocrats is not revolutionary praxis, it’s licking the boot that belongs to whoever you like more.
“Israel is genociding Palestine! Obviously, this means that we MUST kill Filipino civilian sailors on a Greek boat going to Saudi Arabia to stop Israel!”
Brilliant. Have fun with that.
I will.
It small beer next to ghoulish memeing while Israel is 50000 murders into genocide and is doubling down and escalating while you fuck about in photoshop for upvotes .
It small beer next to ghoulish memeing while Israel is 50000 murders into genocide and is doubling down and escalating while you fuck about in photoshop for upvotes .
I’m sorry, I’ll limp my crippled ass to Yemen and volunteer to murder civilians for the Houthis instead of posting a meme.
It ain’t ghoulish to point out that theocrats aren’t part of liberation you fucking twat.
“Critical support to the spanish inquisition in their struggle against wester imperialism!”
That’s you, that’s what you’re trying to do whenever you try to act like the houthis deserve anything but to get shit on for what they’ve done to their own people, nevermind the civilians they’re murdering for happening to be in the region.
The mind is boggled. Has the word genocide lost all meaning ?
If it has then it’s largely your fault.
I know the comments are immediately filled by these assholes but I’m glad they are being down voted and OP is being up voted.
Its so akward to engage with people like that… it’s like people supporting russia because ukraine is supported by america. 2 can be shit at once. Its not that hard.
If isis starts attacking israel, that does not mean you need to support isis…
if in some bizzare, hypothetical fantasy world, isis somehow invaded israel and stopped the ongoing genocide there and delivered a perfect two state solution overnight, would you be morally against specifically that action because it was isis who did it?
to be clear, i’m not asking whether you’d be against isis as a whole: just whether you’d be against isis ending the current israel-palestine situation peacefully
If they did that I’d be grateful to them. And if I had wheels I’d be a wagon.
so you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?
This is you “so what if hypothetically Putin solves world hunger, homelessness, and redistributed all wealth so everyone was on equal playing field. Oh, oh. And he disarmed all their nukes and led the disarmament of all nuclear armed nations? Oh AND He helped solved climate change? Then would think he’s a good guy?” Like those hypotheticals are bonkers and useless.
it’s called a thought experiment
do i think anybody is realistically going to kidnap me and plumb my kidneys into a world famous violinist? no. but i can still use that hypothetical to make a point. do i think anybody is likely to run into a barn at 0.9c while holding a long ladder? no, but i can still use that to learn something.
based on your response, i presume you agree that a group can do bad things, or even be on the whole bad by a very wide margin, but still do something good worthy of praise?
That’s how I got banned from 196 calling out bs like that. Pretty sure /u/Moss is a full blown tankie
Go have a conversation with Moss about Hamas. I’m paraphrasing here because it’s been half a year, but what I said that got me banned was that the Hamas leadership and the Israeli leadership both spend the lives of Palestinians like Monopoly money. It’s in the best interest of the leadership of both parties for the conflict to continue. Neither side wants peace and the civilians are fucked because of it.
I was banned for being a genocide Apologist. While also condemning the genocide…
Fundies and tankies there never was a better match made.
Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place. Israel has been the only one to reject the UN Resolution 3-Stage Permanent Ceasefire put forth by the US. So how do you think that both sides don’t want peace? One side wants the end of a violent apartheid settler colonialist occupation, the other wants the complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinian people from Palestine.
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During the current war, Hamas officials have said that the group does not want to return to ruling Gaza and that it advocates for forming a government of technocrats to be agreed upon by the various Palestinian factions. That government would then prepare for elections in Gaza and the West Bank, with the intention of forming a unified government.
Before that, both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, because it is a Settler Colonialist Ethnostate founded on, and ever continuing, ethnic cleansing
Settlements
Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets ‘Transferred’ to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.
- See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba
The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:
Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:
While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements
The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
State violence – official and otherwise – is part and parcel of Israel’s apartheid regime, which aims to create a Jewish-only space between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. The regime treats land as a resource designed to serve the Jewish public, and accordingly uses it almost exclusively to develop and expand existing Jewish residential communities and to build new ones. At the same time, the regime fragments Palestinian space, dispossesses Palestinians of their land and relegates them to living in small, over-populated enclaves.
The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.
One or Two State Solution
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
- Avi Shlaim
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Hamas officials should be held accountable for all war crimes committed, same as all Israeli officials. That said, there are many parallels between the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Gaza.
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike. Adi Callai, an Israeli, has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video
Well it seems most self-proclained “lefties” here have an appalling understanding of what that is and below the shallows they are quite misaligned with that side of the spectrum. Their words they one thing, their behaviour and outbursts a much more truthful thing. The term is nothing more than a Get Out of Jail FREE card for them.
