Yeah this is dumb.
Police officers can and should stop people that break the law. Having kids in the back is irrelevant, and if it were relevant and police officers would not stop people with kids in the back, criminals would perpetually drive around with kids in the back.
On the other hand, police officers should be trained to just let fleeers go. You got their license plates, you’ll be able to find them later at home, no need to start a dangerous chase over a traffic violation or something
In most states nothing happens. If they have you on body camera then they can match it to the driver’s license database. You’re going to get your ticket and another for driving off, in the mail.
No chase policies aren’t uncommon. They’re not universal but they’re not uncommon.
Given the rarity of chases, the danger they pose, and the lack of benefit in most cases, the guidance is usually to not bother unless there’s reason to believe there’s something like a kidnapping or murder.
Or the cop will fire blindly through the back windshield of the car. Luck of the draw really.
Doubt. The amount of cops who are either going to A give chase or B open fire regardless of the local laws is going to be far beyond statistically relevant. Maybe even a large plurality.
Never, never assume that a cop knows the law. Their job is to enforce, not to know. That’s the DA’s job.
I don’t usually go “in my country it’s different”, but that affirmation is absolutely wild to me.
Guessing this is US-centric, but you are saying if you recklessly drive away from an officer stopping you, they are likely to give chase and potentially open fire ?? What ?? Would the chase not be more dangerous than whatever you are being fined for ? Would them opening fire not make the whole (armed) country you are living in more likely to shoot back ? Are you guys playing cops & robbers IRL ? Sheriffs & bandits ? What is this about ?
Where I’m from the cop has already written your registration plate down, and possibly got your id. The last panel of this meme would be “well no one is stopping you, but it’s going to become a lot more expensive”. “Also I really don’t care enough to chase you or anything, my lunch break is in 20 minutes”. “Btw I am not allowed to carry a weapon when handling traffic”.
Not saying there aren’t assholes that will waste your time with a more tedious procedure than necessary, but nobody is going to chase, and nobody is going to shoot…
US, yes. Yes, they do give chase or open fire with surprising frequency, often creating far more dangerous situations. 5 months average training time, additional training given through unions with a focus on “officer safety” (see, how to pull your gun before the other guy does) creates an ecosystem that creates a bunch of fucking cowboys rather than actual peace officers. Yes, a non-zero amount of them think they’re playing cops and robbers for real.
Would the chase not be more dangerous than whatever you are being fined for ?
It’s not just cars, just recently cops in New York City shot each other and several bystanders on the subway trying to hit a guy with a knife they had been following over a <$3 fare evasion. Land of the free, home of the brave.
It depends on where you are, the cop, and a lot of other context. It’s one of those cases where America is more like 50 different little countries than one big country.
My state police force has a policy to only chase if there’s an active danger to public safety.
That doesn’t apply to the sheriff’s of the 83 counties in the state, or the approximately 500 other police agencies, although many counties mirror the policies of the state police.
Weirdly, I generally trust the state police more than any of the others. They tend to be significantly better trained and more focused on public safety than making money for the county.
I’ve only been pulled over by one once and he just wanted to make sure I was okay, which was fair considering my car was failing and it sounded like a shitty old lawnmower that was also broken.
In general our police are powerfully undertrained, underpaid, over funded, improperly screened and with a radically unhealthy attitude on their relationship with non-police. We also lack enough uniformity for that assessment to be universal.
Monopoly on violence is literally something good. The biggest problem in the US is that this just doesn’t exist (see gun legislation), which leads to all the school shootings and a more militarized police.
no, it’s not something good, look at Honkong, Tibet, Russia, Iran, Belarus, etc.
Are you advocating for multiple, competing armed groups in the US?
Generally, a monopoly on the legitimate use of force is considered a cornerstone of “government”.
I don’t like the government, I’m an anarcho-syndicalist. that means different syndicates would be armed and they’d probably be competing, so yeah, I’m advocating for multiple armed forces
Violence doesn’t just become good because you legitimize it through the state.
This doesn’t look like a post promoting concealed carry for those with a batman complex, but I could be convinced.
Nah, it just institutionalizes it and perpetuates it in a different form – namely structural violence. It’s oppressive and coercive in nature, ultimately used to protect the interests of those with property and further instantiate inequality.
You can’t eliminate violence through violence. You have to meet people’s basic needs. A society that coerces people to act a particular way – especially in regards to meeting their basic needs – through the threat of force could not have been built on freedom, or compassion, or mutual solidarity. It’s unjust, imo
Is Lemmy full of sovereign citizens now days? In all countries including China when you drive dangerously you get a ticket.
In addition to issuing tickets officers all over the country take the opportunity to seize what they in their sole judgment regard as suspicious amounts of cash without benefit of a trial or charges. Many such seizures are in the mere hundreds of dollars with the average seizure only $1200 and the legal cost to reclaim such is usually in the thousands so people are left without recourse. Even when the money is reclaimed there is no punishment for officers for essentially robbing the populace.
In the last 20 years they have taken about 70B from citizens mostly without actually charging the person they stole from and disproportionately from minorities.
Regarding the victims, many people especially contractors prefer to deal in cash and frequently carry a significant amount of cash on hand to purchase goods and pay help. Others transport large quantities of cash from their business or to make large purchases particularly used cars purchased from owners instead of dealerships.
Civil asset forfeiture used to be all the rage in outrage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States
I mean depending on the state or even the town that officer is going to take any cash they have on them and might shoot them if they don’t comply…
I don’t think so. I mean cops can be jerks but they’re really not dumb enough to just risk their jobs for $40 USD out of someone’s wallet. Let alone build a culture out of this.
Civil forfeiture of greater than $1000 USD where that stuff gets documented and people have the prove the “innocence” of that money on the other had is another issue.
Cops stopping people for cash just feels like a childish characterization. There are enough real problems with police to address (ie systematic racism and nepotism) no need to work with characterizations.
I generally agree with you but have you not seen the news? They get away with killing innocent people illegally all the time. Do you think they’re actually afraid of getting in trouble over stealing 40 bucks?
We started by making fun of sovcits, now we make fun of anyone who criticizes police. What the fuck is happening on Lemmy.
Fuck off. If I had a button to ban every person who upvoted it I would. Local governments all over the country make up enormous percentages of their yearly budget directly taken from the citizens in the form of “parking enforcement”. Nobody said sovereign citizen anything this is a specific issue of police and what they’re for and who they do it to. Huff glue and choke:
https://priceonomics.com/how-police-officers-seize-cash-from-innocent/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/08/18/civil-asset-forfeiture-explained/74802279007/
Those are just the top 3 search results for “cops steal money”.
First you have to stops the cars to gets the money.
I’m sure the Ferengi could have said it better.
People should still be punished for driving dangerously. Civil forfeiture is another issue.
Feel free to point out in the meme where the driver was driving dangerously.
We don’t need to start from Hobbes to understand that, as a society, punishing dangerous drivers is a good thing.
There is a lot of good reading out there. I recommend this as a starting point when coming to an understanding of violence and society.
Sure, but if simply keeping the roads safe was their only objective, they wouldn’t have things like quotas where they have to shake down a certain number of people for the sake of their budget.
We don’t need to start from Hobbes
Recommends Hobbes as a starting point
I agree 100% but just had a bit of a giggle