Description: A picture titled “Russian plants” in a 3 x 3 grid with one of the grid items being Jill Stein, the rest are flora.
No one person, thing, or organization I regularly interact with has tried as hard as lemmy.world to convince me she is some kinda fucked up spoiler effect politics demon.
Maybe dems should actually try to make ranked choice voting happen for real, instead of lip service to the idea, if they want the people who prefer third parties to support them. And maybe dems should attempt to do anything at all to address the concerns of the third party voters, instead of just threatening them with trump some more. Just some ideas that might alleviate the problem more effectively than getting really mad at people on the internet.
It’s very weird having scrolled in my feed toward the world stuff. It almost seems artificial, like the redditors all collected here with all the hivemind weirdness and astroturfing.
and yeah, Democrats would rather send their dark-money and ‘venture-capitalist’-funded PAC lawyers to purge 3rd parties from ballots (really democratic, Democrat party; I’m writing in PSL regardless if they can’t get back on and telling everyone I know to) than make themselves appealing at all to the people abandoning their moribund and redundant party ‘like rats from a sinking ship’.
They would rather fight with the Republicans over the (shrinking) voter base of rich and upper ‘middle class’ petty bourgeois rightwingers, and alienate all of their leftwing base, and continue abandoning the 35-50% that straight up don’t vote for either of these duopoly-of-exploiters in this fascist-and-vampire show, than reorient toward positions of “not genocide” or “not nuclear-brinksmanship forever-war proxy-wars” or “not-constantly bipartisanly increasing and expanding the US military and neo-colonial racketeer system which is incidentally one of the leading contributors to climate change.”
or “not continuing filling the world with CIA torture camps” or "not being just as or in some ways more right wing than trump on immigration somehow
It’s telling that they refuse to do any of these things a large portion of the population wants; to the point where Muslim groups are advocating voting for 3rd parties who aren’t for drinking the blood of Palestinians (apparently a tall order for US politicians), and instead would rather put so much effort into demonizing and crushing 3rd parties who do advocate against these things.
I don’t even know if they’re capable of not flying to the right and pandering to right wingers more and more due to their donor base. Their structure is inherently based on funding and campaigning and working for the worst billionaire imperialists and arms-dealer death-merchants in the world and AIPAC and tech monopolies etc. If we all pushed up the PSL to hold their working class margins hostage that they (unlike republicans) actually rely on and take for granted, they might break in half trying to reorient. Maybe they’d float a reformist party to prevent everyone going socialist against the open-fanged republicans who nobody ever had any illusions about and half the dems who are basically republicans will join them, and the other half will flee to the new reformist party (probably alienating their “left wing” into more radical politics because that party would become democrat-ified)
People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they’re different and ‘acting resistance’ at all to the republicans, when they’re really not that different — and where they (barely) are different, they just capitulate and help the Republicans do whatever they were going to do, in the name of “bipartisanship” and “reaching across the aisle”. Like when Obama had both houses of congress and refused to enshrine women’s bodily autonomy and LGBTQ civil rights into law. And then gave away a free Supreme Court seat in capitulation. Then Biden denounces the idea of pushing to expand and pack the court because it’ll “politicize the court” as if that ship isn’t gone past the horizon forever, while doing nothing as women’s and LGBTQ rights are torn down throughout the country, even with a Democrat president. It’s almost like they don’t actually care, or even like when women’s rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look ‘better’ by comparison after creating the problem in the first place, and keep the vampire-and-fascist (dog-and-pony) show going, and get all the gullible liberal votes that “they’ll vote for us anyway — we’re not the republicans” Which circles back to why they’re so scared of and pushing demonization and repression of 3rd parties I guess. That’s a pretty sweet cruise-control-deal they have hoodwinking the populace in a sort of face/heel drama for their ‘audience’
People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they’re different and ‘acting resistance’ at all to the republicans, when they’re really not that different
There is a fundamental difference between Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans with regard to domestic policy and social issues. That’s why you’ve got folks like Obama and Hilary and Biden bending on gay marriage, throwing kickbacks to the domestic EV market, playing ref between Big Business and Unions, and occasionally kicking some money back for student debt relief. This, while Republicans seem to prefer anti-Trans witch hunts, bailouts to failing coal companies, a court packed full of Pinkertons, and full privatization of the education sector.
I’m sympathetic to folks who see the choice between Trump and Harris as a question of whether we’re going to do full scale Final Solution shit to the LGBTQ community, because looking at Florida and Texas you can see legitimacy to that fear.
But when it comes to foreign policy? The MIC has both parties by the balls. This “Trump will be worse on Gaza” is pure cope. This is a campaign of extermination that Biden has actively facilitated. There’s nothing left for Trump to do. Similarly, with Ukraine, the fear is that Trump’s going to step in and deprive Zelensky of our latest arms shipment. He won’t. Trump loves his arms deals almost as much as he loves his trade deals.
It’s almost like they don’t actually care, or even like when women’s rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look ‘better’ by comparison after creating the problem in the first place
Domestically, liberals are perfectly happy to push Women’s Rights and LGBTQ Rights amendments at the state level. The biggest hurdle for Dem state reforms have been shitty governors like Hochul and Newsome. When you have a Beshear at the helm, he’s happy to rubber stamp progressive reforms even from a state as red as Kentucky.
Nationally, Biden fucking sucks. Harris sucks. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. But Dems do have people on their roster that don’t suck. Dem populism does still exist, particularly in the smaller states.
But the Dems are trending towards a very scary nationalist reflection of the GOP. The Eric Adams style candidate is a fucking sociopath and they’re as common to the party as any milquetoast Beto or SucDem AOC. The quality progressives - your Jamal Bowmans and Cori Bushs - are being drummed out of the party by big money. The Silicon Valley hucksters - your Gilibrands and Newsoms - are continuing to climb the ladder.
Its fucking crazy when you’ve got Dems clapping like seals over the Dick Cheney endorsement. Grim tidings for the future of the party.
Most dems are not clapping like seals from Cheney’s endorsement. Most of us want him to fuck off. But we can also look to instances like that of how far the Republican Party has fallen when a literal war criminal is like “this is too much even for me”.
We must rally behind score voting, and not ranked choice (at least that is, if we want actual reform to stick)
You guys do realize that the whole world laughs at your inability to conceive proper left politics, right?
Image thinking Russia is left-wing.
Imagine thinking that leftism is a coherent ideology, instead of an arbitrary list of disparate and often-contradicting positions.
Edit: lmao stay mqd, tankies.
If you think red fash are leftist, that explains why you don’t understand leftism.
A) Jill Stein ≠ left politics B) “proper left politics” involves doing more than just running as a presidential candidate every 4 years funded by the political party in farthest opposition to your political agenda.
What’s with the focus on Jill Stein? Third parties aren’t relevant and the number of people who vote for them is far overshadowed by the number of people who don’t vote at all. There are better uses of time than this lame two minutes hate session.
Democrats don’t have a comprehensive worldview that can explain why they are so widely disliked and why so many people are apathetic/actively hostile towards America. Russiagate fills the gap in their understanding of the world by imagining that Vladimir Putin is a Great Man of History and that his perfidious scheming is responsible for all of the ills of America’s democratic system.
Russian shills + USA republicans began pushing propaganda for her in a big way after they couldn’t find a decent angle to effectively attack Harris like they did with Biden. Leave that propaganda unchecked and she will divert more than a few votes because propaganda works, so fortunately there is a lot of pushback in the other way.
Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already lost two elections they had the majority of votes in.
Harris, while popular, is in a dead heat in several swing states with Trump and it’s very likely she’ll lose. Liberals think that having third party candidates takes away votes from Harris even through all evidence points to the contrary.
Since
DemocratsRepublicans are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college and have already ~~lost~won two elections they had themajorityminority of votes in.
FTFY.
Since Democrats are so corrupt they refuse to abolish the antidemocratic electoral college
The Democrats would love to do away with the EC because it would swing the power wildly in their favor. The problem is that they can’t unilaterally do it because it would require a constitutional amendment that would require Republican controlled states to vote against their own power.
It’s dead in the water which is why it’s never heavily pursued…and you’re blaming this on democrat corruption? What a wildly delusional take.
What’s with the focus on Jill Stein?
She’s a release valve for the Arab-American protest vote. Arab-Americans are concentrated in the Midwest. Kamala desperately needs the Midwest wall to hold in order to win the White House.
“Jill Stein is a Russian Plant” is going to become “Arab Americans stabbed America in the back” in a few months, particularly if Harris loses. We’re just seeing the prelude to the anti-Muslim hysteria boiling up in the Democratic Party.
DNC messaging push (https://front.moveon.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/MoveOnThirdWay3rdPartiesMemoJune24.pdf).
I’m hoping for their sake OP is getting paid for this.
Because this is the time of year that Stein starts pushing herself as a candidate after doing nothing for 4 years, and this is an incredibly close presidential race where voting third party is dangerous. Stein herself is also extremely questionable as a candidate so of course people are going to talk about it. There is a vocal minority of Lemmings who are pushing Stein and other third parties very hard, so I can completely understand why others are pushing back with threads like this one.
US Greens are damned traitors to democracy itself.
You can tell they aren’t serious by the lack of local political effort they put in.
(This post was accidentally edited in an attempt to reply to someone else, this is an in-exact re-creation of what the comment said)
Posting a link to a handful of names on sporadic ballots across the US is a dumb person’s idea of what “serious electoral effort” is.
Son, I am disappoint.
The one guy running for a seat on the Arizona Corporation commission is the only one I saw running in the short of race where the Greens have a chance to affect change. Running for the federal House or Senate isn’t where they should be focusing their efforts until they build a base of support.
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It must be the fault of foreigners right? Because no “true American” can be critical of our own country’s military industrial complex?
Dems have fully transitioned into Bush era Republicans
What are you being critical of? You’re definitely being disingenuous. Jill Stein is garbage, has been photographed with Putin and his staff at events, and is working with republicans.
If you wanna defend what the Green Party used to aspire to go right ahead but when they hold near 0 offices around the country, and I believe actually 0 at the federal level at some point you blaming that on dems starts to sound a whole lot like republican propaganda.
Y’all have some false equivalency between dems and trump republicans but you can’t see that most dem voters would be aligned with your views more than the right if you weren’t only trying to spoil our candidates.
