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That’s just all religions thought. They all are abusive and manipulative.

Some might have a different stance on women but none are worthy of existence.

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how is judaism abusive and manipulative? attending regular services brings me a sense of inner peace, aligns my actions with my beliefs, and connects me with my community

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All religions, no exceptions. To kick things off with the lowest of low hanging fruit: your religion practices male genital mutilation.

But the abuse, manipulations and control go all the way through from patriarchal hierarchies to an “exacting regimen requiring absolute obedience and humility; strong social pressures and rewards for cooperation;”

Which is to say cult brainwashing techniques used by any religion from Judaism to Mormonism to Hinduism. From the Branch Davidians to the Sumerian high priesthood: humans have never ceased using the 0-days of the human mind to exploit and manipulate their fellow man.

Does that mean religions can only do evil? Of course not. I’m glad you get a sense of connection and peace from it.

But that connection and peace serves to perpetuate the primeval toxic hierarchy. You’ll raise your kids on it. Make sure they believe it from a young age. After all - “Train a child according to his way; even when he grows old, he will not turn away from it.” (Proverbs 22:6) You gotta get em young or they’ll never believe when they’re old.

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You know that religious people have different beliefs and varying practices and varying relationships to institutions, right? Criticize specific institutions if you want, but don’t be an asshole.

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70 points

If a human can choose how to interpret holy text however they want and there isn’t an immediate response from a diety for interpreting them wrong, the texts must not really matter.

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If only certain things matter, then nothing matters. I prefer a God who lets us be free.

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1 point

Does your preference matter?

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1 point

Many religions start out promoting freedom, and evolve to forbidding things and actions

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I mean, sort of?

Jesus flipping tables and scolding merchants is cool, whether he’s the son of God or not.

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Imagine if someone became a really popular influencer pushing similar teachings as Jesus, and just started raising shit with their modern millions of followers. Be an interesting WP prompt

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If Jesus was alive today, he’d be crucified again by the Religious Right.

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Conservatives would literally call him a communist

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Cool in concept.

Problem is Jesus is just a fairy tale, like King Arthur or Robin Hood.

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10 points

Robin Hood, also cool.

Arthur, naked apologia for feudalism 2/10 would not endorse.

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  1. maybe there is no “wrong” way to interpret the text
  2. maybe your view of the response as only immediate is too limiting
  3. just playing devil’s advocate here since you made some pretty big assumptions
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maybe there is no “wrong” way to interpret the text

If the intended interpretation of a text is “respect women” and you instead interpret the text as “you can own women”, then you have interpreted the text incorrectly.

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but there is no way to know what the “intended” interpretation is. and often interpretations beyond the original creator’s intent are still valuable and valid

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We was surprised that Hezbollah used pagers, a thing so outdated that only some select professions still use it, but we choose to navigate our lives following a 2k years old scripture.

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I think it’s not accurate to call pagers outdated. There’s a reason those professions still use them and it’s not just because old habits die hard or something.

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While Jesus himself is overwhelmingly sympathetic to women, the bible’s later chapters (specifically those written by Paul) are pretty clear on how women ought to be treated. So while you could technically interpret it as exalting women, any religious leader turning to the bible with a specific question of how to behave will be more likely to find those later chapters with direct answers more appealing.

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Religious people, and women in particular, seem to really love participating in their own oppression. Hell, look at the amount of shit Catholics have to ignore in order to keep attending services and paying money to those bastards every Sunday in good conscience.

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this isn’t limited to religious people

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Yes, that’s what happens when you’re indoctrinated from birth.

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