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It’s very impressive that they got such a modern process up and running in such a relatively short period of time. I understand the Arizona location is relatively new.

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Yeah, they’re essentially doing trials where Arizona fab provides small amounts of sillicon that’s being validated against what Taiwan fab does. While it was planned for 2024 I’m guessing everyone thought it would be delayed. It’s quite a big win for US, they’re on track to secure domestic supply of fairly modern chips in case shit hits the fan in Taiwan.

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And they managed to do that with those lazy US workers? Wow.

E: folks, pls look up TSMC bosses’ statements on American workers’ ethic

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Also, if interested, check out this documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Factory. Has a lot of interesting crosstalk between Chinese/American views on work and business.

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Thanks, Biden! And the American taxpayer!

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Maybe, but Intel operates there so the labour pool is probably quite skilled already. Perhaps good supply chains too.

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Do they have bombs in them?

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US, not israel.

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That’s great but, honest question: why?

E: LOL downvotes for asking a question. Never change Lemmy.

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From a business perspective: more control over the manufacturing process and less risk of getting hit by tariffs

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How does being in the US give you more control over manufacturing?

Tariffs are not new.

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Tariffs in general aren’t new, but Trump’s tariffs were applied haphazardly and poorly determined because he doesn’t understand what they are. Avoiding that uncertainty entirely is a good idea.

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Tariffs change. Especially when Trump or another nutcase is in office.

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Because it’s in the US?

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Not about being in the us specifically. But about keeping your manufacturing near your entire supply chain.

But the uncertainty of what will come soon for tariffs is

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Less risk of tariffs on China, less risk of supply chain disruptions like with the pandemic, takes advantage of incentives from the US government, and is something that is cool to advertise.

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Multiple sources of production.

We learned during concentrating all of your production in one small country wasn’t a good idea. Plus having multiple sources has always been suggested in case anything goes wrong with one company you can still have some production.

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Sure but there are other countries that also have cheaper manufacturing rates.

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Those countries probably didn’t pay 5.5 billion dollars for TSMC to build a new facility in their country.

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And are susceptible to interference. Samsung is also building huge manufacturing infrastructure in the US.

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Because the U.S. government gave them $6.6 billion to do it under the CHIPS Act: https://www.reuters.com/technology/tsmc-wins-66-bln-us-subsidy-arizona-chip-production-2024-04-08/

With TSMC, it’s insurance against China invading Taiwan but Intel (and probably everyone else) got a load of subsidies too. After the chip shortage during the pandemic and Russia invading Ukraine, chip production became a national security issue.

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Mystery solved, I suppose!

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Apple wants to cut down on counterfeiting. The US wants to prevent supply chain issues and reduce reliance on foreign chip production. The wiki article on the CHIPS Act is a pretty good overview: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

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We’ve spent the last few decades outsourcing key industries, where US no longer has as much manufacturing and we’re way too dependent on other countries. It took supply chain disruptions from COViD to realize how much of a bad idea that was.

We’re finally trying to recapture some of those key jobs, industries, supply chains, dependencies, starting with chips and renewable energy. THANKS, BIDEN! this is what will make America great again

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Where will they keep the child laborers?

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That was Foxcon, not TSMC. And all of us have a LOT of shit in our homes made by Foxcon.

Not that it justifies the shit Foxcon did. Just saying that Apple got a lot of flack, even though a lot of other companies should be scrutinized for their manufacturing contractor choices. Microsoft, Sony, etc.

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I heard child labour was legal in the US again? Or is this not in Arizona?

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more domestic production is great

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