Speed record of a velomobile: 144 km/h https://www.aerovelo.com/eta-speedbike

We don’t need any knew infrastructure, we just need to get cars out of the way

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The idea of needing specialized transport as an individual beyond just walking is a failure of society. Replacing cars with “not-cars” isn’t really helping that aspect. You should be structuring society so that cars or “not-cars” have no need to exist for almost everyone.

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Someone versed in urban ecosystems could chime in better, because there’s gotta be proper terms for city to city transport, city to neighborhood, neighborhood to street, street to home.

Bikes or some kind of personal vehicle are still probably necessary to get you from city to home, because they can’t put train stations next to every house (unless they figure out how to shoot us through tubes or something).

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@dessalines @PowerCrazy No, it really is feasible to have PT close enough to everyone’s house. Some will choose a bike to cut 15m walking into 5m riding, but it isn’t required.

Part of that is that every neighbourhood needs all types of housing. Okay, not every one needs high rise apartments. But medium rise next to the station above the restaurants and retail, surrounded by town houses, surrounded by units, surrounded by 1/3rd acre house blocks

It really isn’t crazy

Utopia needs many changes

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Indeed, and currently there exist several cities that execute that ideal more-or-less. NYC is the obvious one, but Washington DC, Chicago, hell even the worst city in America, San Francisco does it adequately. The only reason we can’t have that kind of public transit everywhere is because no one is forcing city officials to plan for the long-term, and reduce sprawl.

Zero Growth Lines are a great way to mandate density, without any other policies needed.

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The transition needs to be easy for adoption to happen though. I think first replacing cars with not-cars, and only then scaling cities to be more walkable makes sense.

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I don’t see how going from car to proper city planning is any harder than going from not-car to proper city planning. This just feels like an extra unnecessary step that could be taking resources away from the city planning part.

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If you make a city hostile to cars first, people will still have their cars and their commutes, it will just double the time it takes for them to get anywhere. You will lose support for any further changes.

If you replace the cars first, such that no one’s daily schedules are significantly altered, and then condense the cities, then the change might be less jarring for those who can’t weather dramatic changes in their lifestyle.

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I’d be happy just having bikes be viable as an individualized transportation method. I’d much rather a 30-minute bike ride than a car ride every day

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I rode my bike instead of driving today. It took twice as long, and the hills kicked my ass, but I felt amazing afterwards. Evem hours later I am still riding the endorphin high. Hearing traffic used to give me anxiety, but I used noise cancelling earbuds so I could listen to an audio book and that made a huge difference

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It’ll take years to build that high density housing. And several generations to convince everyone to move into it. In the mean time, it’d be good to use velo mobiles for transportation from suburb to suburb.

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At what point is it just a car pretending to be a bike? You can’t take a velomobile inside with you, so you’ll need a parking lot. They can’t take tight corners like bikes, skateboards, scooters, or other methods of personal transportation.

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Do they make some for hauling things (say a weeks with of groceries for a family of 4 or several sheets of drywall)?

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That’s totally different from a velomobile. Did you read the article?

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Is there open source designs for this?

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Kinda. There’s a subreddit with people making fiberglass shells to strap to their off- the- shelf recumbent bikes. Converting a recumbent into an ebike is well documented online.

Adaik there isnt a 1 stop comprehensive plan to build a velomobile.

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But what are the licenses?

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But why are the liscenses

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this looks unsafe as fuck

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A colleague of mine has one. They are easy to overlook and he sometimes has pretty bad looking crashes (from the outside) but the chassis themselfs are extremely sturdy and protecting. He slid down a road 25m at one point, crashing into a pole, but only got a bruise from it. Because, and that’s the main point: these things are not going down 50mph, they are at 18mph and the only dangerous parts are intersections where cars are slower anyways

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Just like regular bikes, it depends on how the bike and car lanes are layed out. If you keep them seperate the bike is unlikely to be hit.

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separation of bikes and cars are rare in my city/country, and traffic tends to be very chaotic.

the main reason i say these look unsafe is that they look way less maneuverable for this situation. the nimbleness my bike has helped me avoid pretty gnarly accidents a couple of times before.

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@umbrella @ertai looks a lot safer to be hit by than a car.

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Well, unsafe if there are cars all around you. But if we replaced a lot of cars with these vehicles which typically go around 40 to 70 km/h cruise speed, I think it would become way safer than cars.

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