Russia has received new deadly ballistic missiles from Iran for use in Ukraine and is likely to use them, the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, announced on Tuesday in London as he prepared to travel with the UK foreign secretary, David Lammy, to Kyiv.

The news, confirmed by the US for the first time and seen as of huge significance to the battlefield balance ahead of Ukraine’s difficult winter, led the US and Europe to impose new sanctions on Iran, so apparently slamming the door on the prospect of a rapprochement between the new reformist Iranian government and the west.

The move may also add to the pressure on the US to end its restrictions on Ukraine using British-supplied Storm Shadow missiles to strike targets deep inside Russia and not just in occupied parts of Ukraine.

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Another cost of blindly supporting Israel no matter what.

Israel causes more drama then they’re worth as an ally, they’re a bully and have acted like it for decades.

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I’m a bit confused where the line actually is - it seems to be a very low bar - but at least some red lines for the US do seem to exist.

E.g. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/15/biden-israel-occupy-gaza-big-mistake/ (don’t retake Gaza)

The flip side is that the US being allied with Israel can sometimes be asset - able to push for justice by asking Israel to investigate it’s own forces in https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106819/us-israel-american-woman-shooting-west-bank (though admittedly the “expression of deep regret” as per https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/10/israel-says-highly-likely-its-troops-killed-turkish-american-aysenur-ezgi-eygi sounds a lot like “thoughts and prayers”)

A slightly more successful version, https://theintercept.com/2024/08/09/israel-prison-sde-teiman-palestinian-abuse-torture/ , where the US asked Israel to investigate, resulting in some arrests…

That said, I do hope that the US soon follows suit with the UK on this, https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/sep/10/australian-government-backs-uk-decision-to-curb-arms-sales-to-israel

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I’m really not sure, if I can follow.

How is Israel (absolutely doing a genocide atm - just to have that said) involved with that? What’s the connection?

Maybe I missed something just scrolling through?

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I could.copy/paste what I said, but by now I’d hope you scrolled down and saw it by now.

But I dont know, maybe you stopped here and area till waiting on a reply to scroll down.

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Ok, I’ll go search for your other comment

Edit: I’m still not sure how the US supporting Israel is making Russia attack Ukraine or how that should be connected - obviously, geopolitical everything is somehow connected, but not causal

Edit 2: I’m absolutely not in favour of US backing Israel (or their fucking imperial capitalism), but do you want to say, that Russia had no other choice or…?
I do know this sounds foolish, but I’m currently really struggling to make sense of what you want to say

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Nonsense. Take your Hamas talking points elsewhere. Iran would have done this regardless.

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Mostly agree. At least, the threshold to get Iran to not do this is much, much higher - remember that Iran is trying to get a nuclear program among other things that the US and many other allied countries take an issue with, and it’s likely those would have to get put on the table as well if one were to hypothetically attempt to negotiate with Iran over the subject in the article…

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Yes, Russia can be a good ally for Iran as they have tech and knowledge they lack. Also just another channel to get stuff they cannot get themselves. The latter goes for both.

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Lmao everything is Hamas

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In this case dragging the Hamas Iran Israël thing into it is just silly.

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They likely wouldn’t have, which is why it’s such a big deal now that they are.

Israel basically forced this to happen due to its illegal attacks on Iran (the bombing and assassinations).

Take your Zionist talking point elsewhere.

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The weapons where already agreed. This is just Russia most likely helping the Iran nuclear program. Russia is struggling and needs to scale up.

Trying the israel conflict to everything is just … No!

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When the US backs Israel no matter what. The countries Israel keeps starting shit with don’t have many other options besides Russia or China

If America stayed out of it, Israel wouldn’t be as aggressive, and their neighbors wouldn’t have to run to Russia and China.

Like…

Has no one explained to you that one of the big factors the West had in creating Israel was to create a volatile area for proxy wars instead of another war in Europe?

If you don’t know that, hardly anything else is going to make sense …

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with don’t have many other options besides Russia or China

*cough cough* North Korea *cough cough*

Has no one explained to you that one of the big factors the West had in creating Israel was to create a volatile area for proxy wars instead of another war in Europe?

Citation needed.

It seems to somewhat contract the info in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah - namely that Jewish immigration to what was then Ottoman Palestine started half a century before WWII, and that it was based on a desire for these folks to return to their ancient religious homelands…

Anyways, if that was indeed the desire, it can’t really have been said to be a smashing success, considering the long list presented here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#21st_century (and also look above to say the 1950s - it’s quite a long list of conflicts in Europe post WWII)

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Like… Those panarab trash countries attacked Israel and lost back in 1947. Let them try again sore losers. Like… We stayed out of it since the 1990s we’ve simply sent aid and medical supplies to gaza. And they wanna invade Israel again on October 7th.

The West did not create Israel as it is that was mostly all Russia from actions in the 80s, Russian immigrants started the first major settlement where thousands from Yemen and eastern Europe immigrated to in 1882.

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