Two things can be bad at once, shocker
One is a democracy and strategic ally, the other one is just trying to be destructive and split apart any western alliances…
Who the fuck cares? Once you commit genocide, you are the bad guy. It can be fucking Santa for all I care, if he starts bombing a country to hell, that sleigh is coming down.
God, I wish there was the political will to put a no-fly zone over Gaza. Unfortunately, we still have work to do combating AIPAC’s past decades of propaganda.
Ethnostates are not democracies. Also, Israel is doing everything it can to drag the US into a war in the middle east because of the whole genocide and antagonizing Iran and Lebanon thing. So yeah, not a very good democracy or strategic ally.
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I hate the idea that people throw around that Israel has any influence over the US. They don’t. Israel is a puppet of America. It only looks like they can influence us because we are already doing what they want. Because they are our puppet and we want a happy and strong puppet.
All this to say, let’s not fall into stupid “Jews run the world” bullshit when the truth is much simpler. It’d be like saying “America runs Britain” because the French and Indian war. Empires go to bat for their colonies.
Edit: let me define influence in the way I am using it Incase some people get confused. Influence is the ability to make someone do something they would otherwise not do. Regardless of any colonial advocacy group, the US would fund Israel. The advocacy group simply communicates ways to make that funding more efficient and aligning already pretty well aligned goals. I wouldn’t call that influence.
I hate the idea that people throw around that Israel has any influence over the US. They don’t.
Counterpoint: AIPAC
The puppet made an advocacy lobby. A way to tell it’s imperial master what it wants. This isn’t influence, this is communication.
AIPAC money and geopolitical nonsense has the US actively assisting in a genocide as the media works overtime to earn their payday, spinning the bejesus out of the situation, doing massive political damage - because the US naturally wants Palestine genocided ^because ^^I ^^^dunno… ^^^^reasons.
…but Israel have no influence?
…but Israel have no influence?
They’re coming from the weirdly common position of America as an evil empire they can oppose in all circumstances. Sure, one COULD actually examine the complex interplay of diplomacy and interests on the international scale, but who has time for that IR bullshit when you can just say “The Amerikkkans run the world on their puppetmaster strings!” and in the same breath mock the idea of Israeli influence as conspiratorial antisemitism.
Are you OK, my guy?
The recent Israeli influence on the US is undeniable. The rest is a strawman that’s the product of an unhinged mind.
If you’ve got a point to make, be my guest… but this ain’t it.
You think a western aligned colony of Europeans and Americans sitting in the middle of an otherwise hostile part of the world needs any more grease? You ain’t thinking like a state. You ain’t playing that mental game of interests and geopolitical boardgame shenanigans. You’re thinking that there’s no way America would do this on its own, that it has to be coaxed into supporting a genocide. Nah dude. Here’s the simple breakdown. Israel will do what we say when we need to get something done in the region. After that, anything goes. This is basic American foreign policy. We supported mass killings and genocides our whole existence because the killers were technically our friends. Why would this time be any different? Or what next, you going to say Nicaragua owned American politics? How bout south Korea? Why would isreal be different.
You ain’t playing that mental game of interests and geopolitical boardgame shenanigans.
That’s incredibly ironic considering your Risk-level analysis of IR.
I hate the idea that people throw around that Israel has any influence over the US. They don’t. Israel is a puppet of America. It only looks like they can influence us because we are already doing what they want.
Jesus fucking Christ.
All this to say, let’s not fall into stupid “Jews run the world” bullshit when the truth is much simpler.
The “truth” being that Israel, unlike numerous other involved countries with the US, isn’t running an effective lobbying campaign utilizing the open corruption of our government to leverage unconditional support by threatening both primary and general election candidates who don’t tow the line?
I guess the Israelis are just too moral to do that.
It’d be like saying “America runs Britain” because the French and Indian war. Empires go to bat for their colonies.
What absolute brainrot.
Yeah dude. It’s Jewish money flowing into American pockets that’s why we do what we do. Nothing to do with America’s long standing policy to support anyone who is friendly with us regardless of what they do to their own people or neighbors as long as we keep our access when we need it.
It’s not like we haven’t done this before. See: literally every dictator we have propped up. Why would Israel be any different? Why is it specifically isreal that geopolitical considerations ain’t enough to get us to back another genocide? We have backed loads of genocides for less.
The difference is that those other genocidaires we’ve backed have had tangible benefits to American hegemony. For the record, every one of them is fucking atrocious and a stain on the US, but they are overwhelmingly “We’re backing this brutal dictator because he’s on ‘our side’” - there is generally a realpolitik reason, ugly as it is, for playing such vile games.
Israel is a fucking canker sore that’s managed to dig itself deep into the US’s good graces by using the simple Iron Law of Institutions - institutions do not do what benefits them, institutions do what benefits the decision-makers.
By a mixture of active propaganda on the general public, peddling shite like ‘the most moral army in the world’, deliberately cultivating ties with apocalyptic Christofascist lunatics, and a staggering war-chest for electoral donations (objectively quite small as far as national expenditures go, but most countries aren’t pouring in literal tens of millions of dollars to influence US elections), they’ve made opposition to Israel anathema in modern US politics. And that means that they can get away with doing immense damage to US interests on the world stage, because the politicians are acting according to what is rational for them to do, not for what is rational for the US government to do.
Hell, Israel used to be closer with the fucking Sovs than the US. This isn’t some immutable thing, as much as Israel would love for everyone to believe it is.
It’s so crazy that you think anyone of us is completely ok with lobbyists and super PACs. Everyone one I’ve known hates that shit but sure we just love the fact that monied interests get to influence our elections. Sure.
But of course you will ignore the fact one party has spoken out against citizens united and one party has installed supreme court justices that will keep bribery legal.
It’s very weird that you’ve internalized the criticism in this meme. It’s just pointing out that the U.S. condemns foreign interference from Russia while institutionalizing foreign interference from Israel. I understand that the OP is very critical of Democrats and liberals, but that’s not in this meme. It’s a criticism of the American political system in general, and it sounds like you agree with it. Why are you treating it like an attack?
Yeah, a hypocrisy between Russian influence campaigns and Israeli influence campaigns. AIPAC gives heavily to both Republicans and Democrats, the title and text don’t mention political parties, and the picture is of an empty AIPAC stage, with nothing to indicate party affiliation. If you see an anti-Democrat bias in this meme, you’re adding it.
(And before anyone accuses me of being pro-Russia, I think the accusations against RT are credible and serious. I just think it’s insane that we’ve institutionalized foriegn interference in our elections through Super PACs for our, “allies.”)
