203 points

Sounds like they’re likely also to find themselves in legal trouble

At least one can hope

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I thought about that; then I thought what that guy makes in a few minutes’interest on his offshore accounts is probably more than all of Brazil, in a year, and since taxes fund the government and a host of other things, idk

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The country of Brazil makes something like 20x Musk’s total net worth, but every year.

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26 points

Plus net worth != actual money.

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Actually Brasil make 20x musk total net worth per trimester

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Good. May they do what is necessary.

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58 points

People like musk don’t make money, they make credit.

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13 points

Trevor Noah said it best.

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36 points

That’s not how money works

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22 points

Or Brazil. That’s the eight largest economy in the world. They headline BRICS for a reason. Sure, China is the true headliner there, but the fact is that Brazil is included in those 5 countries for a reason (multiple actually). There’s absolutely no way for a single individual to eclipse the value of the world’s 8th largest economy. Pick a country with a lower GDP than Hungary and then we’ll talk

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186 points

On one hand, fuck Musk. On the other hand, internet from space that can’t be blocked by governments is a net positive in my book.

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Don’t forget that Musk is also the one who intentionally blocked paid service from Ukraine during a critical moment in the early days of Russia’s current genocide, because Musk sucks up to Putin. Dude needs to answer for his actions.

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64 points

Yep, fuck Musk

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16 points

Fuck Musk

Sounds like a French parfum.

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1 point

actions crimes

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3 points

Seriously, why hasn’t there been an investigation since he’s meddling directly with government affairs and working for a foreign enemy?

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114 points

that depends on who controls the space internet

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16 points

Secret cabal of space lizard people.

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5 points

Watch out for the Jewish space lasers.

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6 points

That is the catch. Ideally they wouldn’t automatically cooperate with the dictators on the ground, but that hasn’t been the case.

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100 points

How about internet that can be blocked at the whims of a billionaire? At least government is supposed to answer to the people.

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*Their lobbying shareholders and maybe the people that elected them

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Dictatorships don’t answer to the people. It’s absolutely a problem that billionaires are controlling the flow of information, but it’s much worse for a dictator to do it.

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This is about Brazil, which is not a Dictatorship.

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Oh honey, do you really ignore that a huge chunk of dictatorships do it for the money and most are already billionaires? Why exactly do you think Musk supports the orange cheeto?

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6 points

I don’t see a difference tbh.

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Brazil’s not a dictatorship though and twitter is breaking their hate speech rules.

Musk is just as bad as most actual dictators with his global reach

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Not blockable by any government would be a positive in my book if it didn’t imply bloclable by a single billionaire with huge mood swing. Don’t forget how musk switched off starlink in Crimea at Putin’s request when the Russian realized starlink guided missile were heading towards their ships (Source

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That’s not exactly what happened. Starlink was already disabled in Crimea when the attack was launched and Musk refused to enable it specifically for the attack. Then the initial reports got a bit tangled up.

But yes, none of this should be up to Musk.

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How is a billionaire manchild in charge any better, at least a government is accountable to the people.

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In theory, but how many governments can actually be held accountable? The power imbalance is often too great for the people to hold anyone accountable. In many countries, the system is rigged.

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Replace government with billionaire and your statement is made even more true.

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The question was how is it better. Sure there is a question of how much accountability there is with the government…but there is zero with a billionaire.

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57 points

Controlled by governments or controlled by corpos and the super rich? I say there’s hardly an improvement.

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10 points

Yeah, cables or radio waves, it’s the same thing in the end.

What we need (IMO) is another layer on top if the classic internet with encryption and hookers.

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5 points

Like i2p or TOR?

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This is what IPSec OE was created to solve, but nobody uses it – instead using things like TLS, which also provides protocol aware non-repudiation.

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No, but through the existence of both options, you can get more plurality than by using one individual option.

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If we’re talking about corporations I can only assume you mean options in how to get fucked.

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Government can throw you in jail.

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Corporate throws you on the street to starve.

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1 point

Have you heard about this corporation called the church of Latter Day Saints?

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Oh? What about internet controlled by a billionaire who makes sure his toxic website featuring his version of “free speech” is always available to protect his profits and spread his bullshit while undermining the policies of a sovereign state?

So much better than the evil government.

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How many people is the billionaire incarcerating?

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Good question. He definitely seems like the type that would have a dungeon with captives.

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He got his wealth because his parents owned a slave-powered diamond mine.

Also, as he hides his money and doesn’t pay taxes the US government is overburdened and one of their tools is relying on prisons for free labor.

Soooo actually quite a lot.

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Let everyone incarcerated go and see how that works out for you. Not saying everyone deserves to be in there, but go on. Give it a try.

You also forget that billionaires are wealth, and so is any dictator. They both seek to protect that wealth, so it doesn’t matter in the end. A billionaire buys his politicians and you get the same result. You start threatening their money and power and they’ll come after you, whether you want equal rights or sometimes just clean water.

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That’s better than a dictator who only wants to protect his own power. At least a billionaire can be bought.

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What the heck do you think a dictator is? A billionaire running a country.

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A billionaire can’t be bought, they got billions. It’s the dictator that can be bought.

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Is Musk doing anything to help people living in dictatorships access information? Or is this just happening in Brazil?

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30 points

Can’t calculate the net yet, since we don’t know the gross. He has the capability to cause massive damage with the power he wields. It’s already clear that he’s incapable of providing an unbiased platform. It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted

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It needs to belong to the people or it can never be trusted

Damn commies!

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9 points

The ability to recognize sarcasm doesn’t seem to be particularly developed on Lemmy.

And if fucking hate the /s.

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That’s an arbitrary metric. What about internet across oceans, or across forests? Blocking content is a question of why and what. Shouldn’t we be able to block child exploitation websites? That is to say, of course we can, and it’s very easy. The only question is whether you want that kind of censorship to be up to your service provider or your government.

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Governments tend to block things like facts about genocides they have committed and opposing political opinions. I would hope things like child exploitation could be managed at the host level.

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Do you have any idea how eagerly AT&T and Comcast would block half the internet if they had the tiniest profit motive to do so? I wonder how long left wing websites would remain online if it weren’t illegal for multinational corporations to block them.

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9 points

What if payments to Starlink are blocked by Brazilian government?

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Starlink is free in Brazil right now.

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Is it? Didn’t realise Elon was running a charity.

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He is in a unique position, theoretically he can make everything go through the country his servers are in assuming they pay over their own satellite internet, illegal… mmm almost certainly but so is keeping Ex Twitter on in Brazil so he probably doesn’t care about that, and it’s essentially exactly what a VPN does sooo, oh yeah they could also just use a VPN I guess.

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Bruh, VPN for what? If Brazil bans payments to Starlink, essentially sanctioning it, how is end user going to circumvent that?

I mean they can jump through hoops to convert currencies etc but most people would just give up and move on.

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it can be (and has been) blocked by musk on occasion though.

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i think you might be responding to the wrong comment?

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8 points

it’s already been blocked in ukraine by musk at the request of putin

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3 points

It’s not worth the cost of ruining LEO and the environmental effects of them burning up in the atmosphere

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You can block or disrupt communications with LEO.
But you’d need the blessing of the country’s government to pump out that much interference continuously.

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74 points

What i love about musk is that he is the best bad example. Maybe someday he’ll start a war with some country and then people will start to understand that no single person or group should hold this much power. Because there are also a handful of other people and groups with the same resources who choose to hide in the background.

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The Corporate Wars. 🥲

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70 points

Usually Gwen Shotwell, SpaceX COO, is good at keeping Elon in check and not screwing up SpaceX business. I wonder what happened this time.

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58 points

This is the intersection of Xitter and SpaceX and it looks like Xitter takes priority.

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22 points

If you can only access Xitter through SpaceX, can we call the combination “SpaceXitter”?

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His ego is above all else

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70 points

Logically, now they have to ban Starlink too.

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Seems like it’s on the table

https://www.reuters.com/technology/brazils-supreme-court-chamber-forms-majority-uphold-x-suspension-2024-09-02/

Tensions between Brazil and Elon Musk’s business empire ratcheted up further as the country’s telecoms regulator threatened to sanction his satellite broadband company Starlink hours after its top court stood behind a controversial decision to ban social network X from the country.

A senior official at telecommunications regulator Anatel said sanctions against Starlink for noncompliance could include the revocation of its license to operate in Brazil.

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the world needs to ban starlink

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Starlink backed down and blocked Twitter as requested.

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I’m curious: what would that mean, within Brazil’s borders? Would they be able to prevent Starlink from being used? Broadcast a Starlink jamming signal over the whole country? Or turn it into a diplomatic issue, with the US State Department getting involved?

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