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Fuck Trump and Musk, but seriously, this comic is just shit. Whatever you people call communism in the US has nothing to do with what actual communism was or is. The communism had its elites and whoever claims that people were or are equal under communism is just an ignorant. And, most importantly, communism in Soviet Union was just a brutal regime which silenced the opponents by killing or torturing them.

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35 points

Pretty sure that’s the point of the comic.

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43 points

The comic is mocking the idea that Republicans call Democrat policies “communist.” If they were, this is what the Communist Revolution would have looked like.

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8 points

Okay now I got it, I was second guessing if it happened like that in Russia during the revolution.

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No, they were robbing and killing everyone who even slightly reminded “the bourgeoisie”, “to build an equal society of workers”. They also sold whatever they could abroad (they sold a fucking Alaska!), and villagers who stopped being serfs less than a century before, became modern slaves who couldn’t leave their kolhoz (farming cooperative).
Edit: the big sale also involved grain, which led to starvation

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9 points

Yeah, before I got to the end it kinda looked like tankie apologism.

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Bruh… What… It was a blood bath followed by the worst recession and one of the worst starvation in History of Russia (1921-1922).

It went from a wealthy powerfull country to the freedom deprived shit hole we know today… It all began in 1917

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8 points

Bro over here dodging the sarcasm like Neo dodging bullets. Like… bro. Bro.

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Lol i get the sarcasm, but if the average ignorant american do find this clever, the premise is in reality beyond stupidity for every people with above average IQ and minimal knowledge on Russia History… Pathetic…

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The entire point of the comic aside. Russia was way behind the times even for 1917. They still had serfdom and feudal structures. When they went to war for world war 1 they had to have the Lords gather their men-at-arms and there was constant bickering over orders. Supplies were largely done by the lords as well or foraged. There was no central system for manpower or logistics. The Tsar was screwed by his ancestors holding onto a system hundreds of years out of date.

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Bruh… Stap… Get your fact straight, even a quick wiki prove you wrong:

Despite all this Russian Empire from the beginning of the reign of Nicholas II, it began to change dramatically in economic terms. It was the fastest growing economy in the world,[3] the average GDP growth was higher than the Western European one, and the volume of production per capita was equal to it.[4] The standard of living also grew high.[5] If the February revolution had not occurred, and subsequently the October revolution, then the pace of economic growth in Russia would only have increased

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This is why you don’t go to Wikipedia folks. It’s true they were increasing output. But standards of living were not rising for the common worker and there’s a lot of room to improve GDP when you start from a backwards position. We’ve seen the same thing in post colonial economies after world war 2. A 4% growth of 10 is not better than a 2% growth of 1,000.

And the Army was wildly dysfunctional. They didn’t have enough weapons, ammunition, or food. And it was a major part of why the revolution happened. On the last day the Tsar ordered the army to fire on the crowds, and instead they refused and joined the crowds. Largely due to their treatment.

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3 points

The cartoon isn’t about Russia.

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In the US, republicans, and billionaires, often call the democratic party communists. This is putting the current democratic party’s basic platform in the mouth of a depiction of the bolsheviks, right after the revolution, to prove how ridiculous the claim is. It is very ham-fisted, and the last panel basically beats you with the blunt instrument that is this joke. The fact that you didn’t get it makes you more akin to what your comments further down say, than anything else.

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Lol except the premise doesnt work at all, for ignorant american maybe, but for every body else, this is just stupid…

Its like trying to do a joke on how ridiculous it is to say republican are nazi by making a good portrait of nazi regime…

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I think you may have missed the premise: right-wing mouthpieces, at the behest of right-wing billionaires, describing the Democrats’ modest reforms as “literal communism” is farcical to the point of parody.

Edit: punctuation

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Lol, i do get it, but you need to be american to find this farcical…

Anybody else know this is really beyond stupidity to chose Russia History as a satirical base…

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1 point

They need a communist revolution

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You’re missing the point of the cartoon. It’s making fun of the Republicans’ claims that Democrats are literal communists. The joke is in the obviously huge difference between the relatively feeble capitalist tweaks Democrats are proposing and an actual communist revolution.

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It’s a very clumsy premise. The first panel should at least be “USA, 2025” instead of “Russia, 1917”.

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Then its really badly done… But i guess that it is enough for the average ignorant american who wear t-shirt with Guevara head on it… Lol, pathetic xD

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Actually we just won an election

Ok that’s just an outright fucking lie.

The Bolsheviks didn’t start “winning” elections until they’d already forced everyone into supporting them, the 1917 election featured the Bolsheviks being blown out of the goddamned water by the SRs, and getting tailed pretty hard by the Ukrainian Regional Socialist Party

All this comic does is bend history into absolute knots to try and sell an image of what a democratic revolution would look like, but the tone and telling it represents is blatantly revisionist to a fucking maddening degree.

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What are you talking about?

This strip is not even about the actual Bolsheviks.
Everything the “Bolsheviks” say is boilerplate stuff a modern democrat (or any reasonable person for that matter) would want.

The whole joke is that the republicans frame super normal stuff as communism.

Did you really not get that?

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Getting the joke doesn’t make it funny or any less irresponsible a way to invoke a historical period for sending a message.

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This strip is not even about the actual Bolsheviks.

Have you skipped over the first panel?

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8 points

That’s clearly where you stopped reading.

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“All this comic does is bend history into absolute knots to try and sell an image of what a democratic revolution would look like, but the tone and telling it represents is blatantly revisionist to a fucking maddening degree.”

I’d say that’s what they’re talking about.

And I agree with them, imo this comic is absolutely not working for getting the intended message across.

Edit for clarification: i realized during first reading that the devil’s advocate in the comic was meant to represent USA republicans, but I still think that the comic doesn’t work.

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not about the 1917 revolution. kinda like how MASH wasn’t about the korean war.

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MASH was invoking historical parallels.

This is just inventing them out of thin air in an era that is already overflowing with rampant politically motivated disinformation.

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5 points

Look at Mr. No Media Literacy here.

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found tsar nicholas’s lemmy account lol

democratic revolution

haha what do words even mean!? I’m not even touching the Ukranian ‘regional’ socialist comment, fascist pig

i agree the comic is a very confused mess

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I mean I get it, but it still feels very disrespectful towards all the eastern europeans killed by bolshevism

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You’re not saving anyone, and victims of bolshevism are not victims of this comic. Please stop making problems up.

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In my opinion that is the second layer to this comic. Bolsheviks were pretty autocratic and tyrannical, so comparing their deeds towards left leaning politics today is disrespectful to the real victims.

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yeah, I know, I get it. Consciously, I absolutely get it. But subconsciously…

It still somehow strikes the wrong tone in my opinion. I don’t know how one could do it better, I just know that it irks me the wrong way.

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7 points

I don’t think that’s how it went

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That’s the joke.

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7 points

That’s a pretty big reach for most people though. To realize that the depiction is of what Trump says is communism and not actually Russian communism. Most people are going to regard this as communist propaganda attempting to cover for Stalin. (They won’t even know Lenin was in charge in 1917) And they will disregard it completely.

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16 points

They explain the joke in the last panel.

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oh. then I don’t get it

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It’s a meme aimed to ridicule the rhetoric of the U.S. Republican party aimed at portraying Democrats as communists, which is still a swear word in America.

Like, “imagine if actual communists (represented by Bolsheviks in the meme) were that mild”.

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