Not sure if this is a showerthought, but it popped into my head randomly due to anothe member’s comment that “karma farming isn’t a thing here.” It kinda is…just not as blatant and open as Reddit. If the instances grow in size and number it could become a real thing, we’d have the same issues as Reddit with huge numbers of bots, shills, and karma whoring users.
What if every year we zero out Lemmy points but replace them with a [insert thing here: colored bars?] that maybe qualitatively show positive post and comment levels and sort of show “years of service”?
Get rid of the incentive for points accumulation, but denote consistent positive contribution?
Edit: or leave the comment/post points as the are, but make them only tally a rolling 365 day count and participation in the last 30/60/90 or similar. Continued participation would be obvious, but no substantial amount could ever be collected.
If the points aren’t worth anything, then why would it matter if they change or go away?
E2: welp. People think it isn’t a problem, and they say it will not be. Can’t argue with a position that demands Lemmy/fediverse remain static in its present form. Discussion closed, I guess.
Someone’s post count does not influence anything about their experience with Lemmy.
Haha, I recognise myself in OP’s comment, I think. I was soundly downboated for my comment. 😄
Internet points are the objective for some people, regardless of the platform or meaning. I’m usually reluctant to tell someone they’re having fun the wrong way - whatever floats your boat - but I’d much prefer some kind of reputation based on quality rather than the groupthink “hur hur, that made me spit out my drink” system that Reddit and Lemmy use.
But what do I know. I’m just some Internet rando with opaque motives, just like the rest of us.
Edit: For the ideologues spouting the tired “Lemmy doesn’t have karma!” party line, the number alongside your username is what people are taking about, not what we call it. FFS.
the number alongside your username is what people are taking about
Are you talking about on a comment? This?
Because if I open your profile, there is no number next to your name.
If you want to eliminate the display of upvotes that’s a completely different thing. Like why would we talk about resetting that yearly?
I’m not OP, of course. I think the point is that some people seem to really care about how many upvotes they get for a post (or comment) based upon the type of post they make. I get that it doesn’t get accumulated against the user profile.
Internet points is the only/main explanation I can think of for the repeated low effort/value “questions” that people post. The “what was ‘the incident’ at your school?” one I moaned about yesterday is something I’ve seen posted many times to Lemmy, and is a good example.
If this were Reddit, we’d put it down to karma farming for an account that would eventually become a spam, scam or porn bot, or something like that. But I struggle to understand why it happens here.
That’s the gist of my involvement in the topic, anyway.
Fair enough. I think there’s a fair bit of everyone talking past each other. Yeah, I can see your point about chasing upvotes on posts. I mostly post whatever I’m going to post without regard to votes, but I do enjoy making a popular comment and when I get lots of downvotes I do a quick check if I’m the asshole (sometimes yes, sometimes no). I can see where you’d want to disincentivize low quality shit-posting for upvotes. I’m pretty sure I’d shit-post anyway, though.
But consider: sometimes funny content chains of everyone joking around release tension and provide a way to engage with a post when I don’t have anything of value to say. Engagement is what drives social media. Am I going to comment if I get no engagement? A vote at least says someone saw it and I’m not shouting into the void. And if no one votes or comments my post, how do I know anyone has seen it at all?
If this place were nothing but high quality serious content, I feel like it would be closer to Wikipedia than Reddit. Of course, you’re free to disagree if you find none of this persuasive. I say all that because OP invited folks to explain why they disagreed. I’m not trying to come across as an argumentative prick, I just feel like folks are using words that clearly mean different things to different people. Like I don’t think you and OP are thinking of the same thing. I’m not even sure OP was talking about the same thing at the end as he was in the beginning.
Being able to quantify reach and count likes or upvotes or good stats has been a feature of social media forever. Mastodon doesn’t have or display upvotes, you just get notified when a post is favorited. It works there. But I engage way less there. But what soaks to me might not speak to someone else.
Anyway, that’s all. Thanks for the response.
Pretty much what I was trying to get at. Everyone’s fixated on “but it isn’t karma…” while rejecting out of hand that people can place value on post/comment count, and at some point the idea of point “totalizer” could become a thing.
The fediverse isn’t static, and if it grows it will only require someone to desire that change and the knowledge implement it.
I simply thought of cutting it off before it could ever go that way with and that it might be worth considering. A mechanic that would offer a cake day yearly cumulative “badge” that showed sort of service to the communities and longevity without any avenue to amass points - other than a rolling 1-year trend to show post/comment contributions as individual numeric values. Make it community controlled? If you participate in a Linux community your badges show up as a bunch of Linux Tux penguins with “thumbs up” or some such.
What does karma even do?
The chief difference between here, and Reddit, is that there is no accumulated tally of votes here. Someone can “karma farm” all they want here, and they will have exactly nothing to show for it. Their account doesn’t have a number going up, there is no final score that marks them out as any kind of special.
Adding any kind of system to denote “consistent positive contribution” as you mentioned, or any kind of actually accumulated score, regardless of rolling delay, would only provide incentive for “karma farming” that does not currently exist.
Your proposed solutions would create the problem you’re trying to solve, a problem which does not currently exist.
There is no karma or points and I can’t figure out why you would call a raw count that. The count means absolutely nothing. I could make a board and post “lol” a thousand times to drive up that number. And if you reset it after a year I could just do it again.
If you care how many times someone has commented and feel like you’re winning or losing anything based on that, that’s pretty weird. You’re asking why people are so opposed to this change if counts aren’t important, but why is the impetus on someone to defend the status quo when your only reason for wanting to change it is some people might be weird about it. Show me weird behavior. Demonstrate how it is a problem without referring to Reddit which is a completely different system with no relevance.
Show a need for a change and we can talk options and tradeoffs. That’s a reasonable conversation. This… isn’t. But that’s okay. I’ve posted dumb shit before and it turns out regardless of up or down votes, it’s still just one comment.
