313 points

In favor of what? I still have to use control panel because some things are seemingly unreachable by the “settings” menus.

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Yeah. This sounds a lot like some PM type thinks they’re gonna get rid of control panel, and they just don’t know what all is actually in there.

And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

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29 points

I don’t think that the PM is wrong. They absolutely can get rid of the control panel. It’s the user who will suffer ✌

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11 points

I wonder if there would be a way to “embed” those old panel applets into the new settings somehow.

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14 points

I bet they at most remove control.exe or make it open the Settings app, but still allow launching old vendor .cpl items just like they already can be opened in Control Panel.

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And not to mention the custom control panel applets hanging around out there from who-knows-what vendors.

AMD FirePro and Catalyst users are going to probably stay on an older version of the OS, considering most of those users are going to be educational institutions, engineering workshops, makerspaces/hackerspaces etc.

Can’t think of any other vendor products that integrated quite as much into the legacy control panel area

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4 points

I’m thinking of highly niche industrial and embedded products who are likely to be left behind.

A major traditional selling point for Windows has always been the backwards compatibility.

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That’s M$ intention, to hide some settings from users and lose control of Windows.

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31 points

Right, I forgot, MS doesn’t want you to have control what programs are doing or how your computer works. Corporate way or…linux.

I may be technologically challenged but Microsoft has been steadily selling me on linux ever since windows 10.

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4 points

Linux is just straight up easier to use than an unfucked windows.

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1 point

It’s probably all in the registry somewhere.

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1 point

I wonder if you’re talking about the windows 10 or windows 11 version of the settings app?

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Yes. I have win 10 and 11 devices. They both lack certain options and I’ve had to go around them, like using control panel. In this case only the win 11 device is at risk of getting much worse.

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150 points

honestly I still cant figure out how to configure a network interface properly without using the old control panel.

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You literally can’t.

There’s a ton of stuff you can’t do with the new garbage settings.

Let’s not even mention that on an operating system called “Windows” you can only have one “window” of settings open. And opening new settings will just replace where you just where. Which is extremely rage inducing.

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42 points

opening new settings will just replace where you just where

I don’t use windows super often anymore, so I don’t really have that usecase, but man. Just imagining it makes me annoyed and angry

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21 points

You probably should never use a Mac then.

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50 points

As admin and tech support, I use the control panel constantly. I use the settings app… for display configuration, I guess?

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33 points

It’s not you. There are many things you simply cannot do in the settings app.

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10 points

And if you can do it, it’s complicated and convoluted. I miss Win32 settings panels, everything was so well organized and simple to manage.

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19 points

Yeah the new interface has restrictions it doesn’t tell you about until you try to apply new settings.

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5 points

You can now reach the network connections folder, using an option on the network status page. It’s something like advanced network options. Still all the classic stuff, but avoids “control panel.” I’m going to guess links like that are not going to be removed.

If they just outright remove all of that, you really will need to learn how to do everything in powershell.

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The goal is to move you to powershell

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1 point

Are you on windows 10 or 11?

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Mostly 11 now. I honestly prefer it to 10 now, but that’s with quite about of decrapification done to remove all of Microsoft’s bullshit.

At home I’m mostly using Ubuntu, but it’s basically covering firefox as all of my self-hosted stuff runs in thevbrowser and I don’t game much.

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Hmm, then I’m a bit confused, since my experience with Windows 11 settings app has been good enough to not need to go into the control panel for setting up basic networking, unlike with Windows 10’s setting app.

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134 points

Great. So managing printers, network settings and quickly comparing settings from two places becomes a weird game of screenshots and guessing.

Remote support workers of the world collectively shake their fist in despair.

No way on this planet I will be able to explain the new UI to your average office worker.

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27 points

It’s as if they intentionally were making their products unusable for ADHD and especially AuDHD people.

I wonder sometimes, maybe they are. Maybe there’s some policy coming from some macchiavellian cokehead in a suit, that people like us spoil their big, important social mechanisms and introduce a measure of chaos they don’t want, so we have to be suppressed.

I just don’t understand why Windows is such an ADHD torture today. Even XP wasn’t.

It really seems sometimes as if they were going out of their way to make it such, not only MS, but also Google, Apple and who not.

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Its not good. Control panel is consistent and precise. Settings is not consistent lacks many settings and many are dumbed down

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5 points

I know, I still have to touch Windows at work.

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Definitely an issue. I can’t count the times I’ve slammed my head because the stupid settings screen “conveniently” switches from the previous item to another while I still expected it to open a new window just like the command panel.

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119 points

I have friends who work in IT and would probably slam their head against the wall if they had to deal with Control Panel being removed.

Are Microsoft deliberately trying to make the fabled Year of the Linux Desktop finally become a reality? Because I feel like we’re two or three more dumbfuck business moves away from this…

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32 points

I have a PC at home that works perfectly fine. Browses the internet, emulates GameCube and Dreamcast, runs any app I need.

It’s not eligible for Windows 11. In about a month MS will just stop supporting my PC, and it will not have the option to be a Windows PC despite still having plenty of service time to offer.

Microsoft is basically forcing that PC to run Linux instead.

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31 points

Windows 10 is being supported until next October, you’ve got more than a month. That said, I’ve been on Linux for just over a month and I’m so much happier with it. I really like KDE Plasma as a desktop environment. I made the leap because I was unhappy with Windows, but at this point I genuinely prefer Linux.

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7 points

Ah. Thank you!! I was planning to disconnect the computer from wifi next month until I got around to setting up Linux. Nice to know there is more time.

I used Mint like 15 years ago trying to set up retropie on a cheap netbook. It felt really smooth, but I couldn’t get something to work and just never had time to research a resolution.

I’m sure it’s more user friendly now or at least the tools are more successful on first install. Going to find out sooner or later. I really just use that old PC to store pictures and play retro games, so it shouldn’t be hard to convert with a little time for research.

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6 points

KDE really is nice. It can be a little bit buggy when messing with themes and panels and stuff but overall its nice. I’ve got it looking like waybar and I’m really enjoying it.

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Which distro are you on? Plasma has reached it’s 6.0 version I think now. I used it back in the day and KDE apps are really more powerful than their GNOME counterparts.

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19 points

Can confirm, want to change your domain or computer name? Windows 7/10: control panel , system , computer name tab. Windows 10 /11: control panel, system, windows settings, advanced system settings, old system control panel, computer name tab.

Why add a middle man??

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That many steps? WindowsKey+Break > Change computer name.

If you’re okay with three steps, on Windows 10 and newer, you can right click the start menu and generally open system. Just about any version supports right clicking “My Computer” or “This PC” and selecting properties, as well.

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2 points

win+X, then the letter for system. probably s or y but not sure. i use win+x, a all the time for an admin ps window

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1 point

I use powershell for this. I was just stating the click through steps.

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But that would require effort to learn to do something different. And a lot of users are firmly against that notion.

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2 points

Open Start or hit Win+R- type sysdm.cpl. Done. They kill off the easy to click icon in Control Panel, but they leave the stuff in still. I doubt they’ll remove them. Or at least hope not, lol. Settings is such a cluster to go through.

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Next time I write my ver 5 of my admin program I’ll add that in!

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7 points

slam their head against the wall

I already do that enough as it is with Windows 11…

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I’ve been using linux for about a decade. I only know how to maintain my system and google when troubles arise. I’m pretty comfortable with my setup and would love to see many make that jump as well. However, I have to concede that corporate environments add a whole another dimension to the problem.

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Control panel largely accrued content - it is generally navigated via left and right click which works great and is stable. Things don’t vanish.

Settings, on the other hand, is left click only navigation mostly. It also changed constantly (usually for the worst) - tutorials written 2 years ago are no longer valid because access to that setting was removed. This makes using settings to fix things a real nightmare.

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But luckily each item has a lot of “maybe you were looking for X or Y” at the bottom since you can’t find anything in there. So just click anywhere, and scroll to the bottom and you’ll find what you want in 2 or 3 screens.

Unless it’s been removed. Then you just ask the resident IA.

Windows is so easy!

I run SuSE btw.

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