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Your choice doesn’t affect Gaza. That power lies with Israel and their next election.

For the rest of the world though, it will.

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Unconditional political and material support for the genocide from the US is the only reason Israel is able to continue doing it. Period.

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That’s true, but we’re talking about picking party, not USA as a whole.

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5 points

it is true that both parties are fascists

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What? Do u really think USA doesn’t have the power to demand Israel to stop attacking?

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No. they mean, no matter who you vote, the us won’t do jackshit

Edit: punctuation for better readability

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Like saltyiceteamaker said, US won’t do jackshit about what Netanyahu doing regardless on who you vote, and even if they don’t give them money, highly unlikely Netanyahu will just stop doing what he’s doing.

However, for other issue within US or the one affect the world, it have different impact between this two. US is one of the biggest CO2 emission country, and also the world exporter of methane, for example.

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Are you aware that the only way Israel is waging their war with guns and bombs is because of the US selling them the weapons? I’m sure Israel would still want to commit genocide without them but would find it much harder to do with literal sticks and stones.

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Probably not until it’s citizens are able to vote outside the two party system in a reliable manner.

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israhell has been committing this genocide for almost a century unless someone willing to abolish isntreal is on its next vallot i dont see how ir***ls next election could change anything, certainly no previous election put a stop to the genocide.

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Why is tankie always fascinated by the idea of annihilation as a solution?

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the genocidal state of israel has left no other solution but its own destruction. It is clear that they will accept no peace, and that they will never stop as long as they exists.

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Some people can more easily envision murder then the working class (of every country) taking control of their own lives and living in peace and harmony.

Considering how my country men/women/whatever act, I honestly can’t blame them.

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Why are Zionists always incorrectly calling abolishing the genocidal Israeli State “genocide and annihilation?”

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I expect downvotes, but I figure thinking out loud about online discourse can be healthy to the general community and so I’m gonna do so.

The real issue here is not the fate of Gaza, I think. I believe that in reality, your failure is choosing not to be apart of the revolution that aims to dismantle the US government - the only way these groups view Gaza has any chance of being saved (by “this group” I’m referring to the condemners, who I suspect are Leninists and similar idealogues). Saying this openly is currently outside of the Overton window in the US still, since a majority Americans are uninterested in actually fighting and dying for a new system. Instead, they just imply it, or condemn stances that constrain to the status quo.

IMO, Such a revolution would need to happen within Israel for it to halt the genocide, and a revolution in US would fail to impact the Israeli government quickly enough to actually save Gaza.

Your individual likelihood of becoming fodder against police, and eventually the US military itself, is also ignored. The revolution itself is for the greater good of mankind in their eyes, and thus your life by itself is inconsequential.

Probably should be directly shutting down this call for joining the revolution rather than trying to appeal to reason - or explicitly state how you’re participating.

Overall, I think that the holy week riots demonstrated how effective violent protest can be and that something like that happening again could be good for the US. I’m aware how extreme that statement will seem to some, but the fact that the fair housing act was passed in a week should really show just how effective that kind of violent action can be, and that we shouldn’t rule it out.

At the same time though, I understand that many leftists currently are doing what they can to leverage the system to their advantage. This is not out of indoctrination, IMO, but because they have a respect for the lives of those immediately around them - they understand the alternative is sending a large portion of those around them to their die for a cause and they can’t conscionably do that. I couldn’t do that either, and I’m gonna respect how they’re operating currently and try to help how I am able.

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You’re bringing in shit ton of topics in this statement. It’s hard to figure out what’s your intent for advocating this. In explicit terms, what exactly do you consider good for humanity? How do you feel about the impact of dismantling the US government? Do you really understand what exactly that would cause?

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I am not following what you mean by “this” when you’re asking about what I’m advocating.

In explicit terms, my understanding is that Leninists and similar ideologies believe that humanity is in its capitalist phase, and that the next phase is communism. That is what I mean when I say that they believe a revolution in the US is good for humanity.

I don’t feel good about the impact of the US being dismantled, nor do I feel good about any western nation being dismantled. I don’t think anyone has a full clue what the US collapsing would cause, but I think it would cause catastophe. I am not advocating dismantling, if that’s what you think.

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If you vote for genocide you prove that like Biden you do not have any red lines.

Why do Democrats pretend to criticize Biden for letting Israel invade Rafah? They are voting for it in the end. You care as little about Palestinians as Biden.

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You can obsessed with that issue all you want, i’m not even American and have no say on what your choice are, and i can give them all the attention i have it still won’t change shit until Netanyahu step down.

My current biggest concern is climate crisis, which unsurprisingly affect basically everyone, including Palestinians. Guess which party call that a hoax, are actively destroying the planet, and guess which country are in the top 5 greenhouse gas emission.

Also lemme know if there’s any party that share your opinion and concern.

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Also lemme know if there’s any party that share your opinion and concern.

PSL shares both yours and their concerns.

Either way, neither the DNC nor the GOP are attempting to meet the important climate targets seriously, they need to be replaced. If they can’t be replaced electorally, then they must be replaced through force.

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My current biggest concern is climate crisis

You can obsessed with that issue all you want…

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23 points

As a Brazilian, I can unfortunately relate to the exact same scenario…

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19 points

Trump will turn Gaza to ruble!

Gaza:

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Jared Kushner: Let’s make the west bank into a resort

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14 points

Needs the “we care ❤️ 🌈” flag on the right side in the rubble somewhere

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That was painted on the side of the missiles sold to the genociders.

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11 points

Oh look, someone trying to push Trump on us. Bless your heart, you just think we’re all idiots here.

No, they’re not the same. None of us are buying it.

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I don’t think they’re pushing trump. More saying Gaza is fucked regardless.

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Why is it so common that people assume if you don’t like one candidate that automatically makes you a proponent of the other? Is it not possible for you to conceive that both candidates may be power-hungry human garbage?

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They’re centrists, scared centrists, who recognize that political in-fighting can result in a split vote letting the party with less votes take the election. However in addition to being humongous pricks about it (helping the in-fighting), they fail to recognize two very obvious facts:

  1. Progressives don’t have a candidate. In any party. You can’t split the vote if there’s no other option to split the vote with.
  2. The popular vote doesn’t matter. Hasn’t mattered since the Republican party stole the election in 2000 (if it ever mattered in the first place). There’s somewhere between 3-6 states where the popular vote, if you trust it to be recorded and reported accurately, can swing the election one way or another. In the other 44 states, the popular vote does. Not. Matter.
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So you understand the flaws of First past the post voting? Why arent you working towards a more representative electoral system?

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I love how Americans are unable to comprehend that people outside the US exist and that internal US politics aren’t the top priority for the rest of the world. The burger empire is a plague upon the humanity regardless of which piece of human garbage is at the helm of it.

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I love how Americans are unable to comprehend that people outside the US exist and that internal US politics aren’t the top priority for the rest of the world.

Pretty rich given that you do nothing but post about US politics lol.

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I really do wish the effects of US politics stayed within the US, unfortunately for the rest of us the actions of US plague the entire planet.

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What are you going to do about it? Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?

It’s like you’re protesting Chinese slave labor but posting it on your slave labor produced electronics like a hypocrite.

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Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?

Lmao checkmate, tankie

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“You criticize society yet you live in it, curious”

Also the US didn’t have the first internet type network

And there isn’t slave labor in China

You’re living in an alternate reality.

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What are you going to do about it? Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?

You don’t like slavery, yet you’re using Latin characters, who were invented by the Romans? Checkmate!

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Wow what a brilliant argument you’ve put together there champ!

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