It’s completely wild that people drink cow hormone juice and then think that soy is affecting their hormones.
It’s completely wild that… Husbandry exists? That we eat other animals? That we rot liquid food to drink it? That we use bacteria to curdle milk?
Hot bean juice!
I’m on your level. People get really weird about milk despite the fact that the majority of people consume animal flesh on a daily basis. Milk is way low on the weird food scale.
We’ve been eating animals a few million years longer than drinking their milk. (Lactose intolerance is far more common than generally thought.)
The problem is that they give the cows growth hormone and high amounts of estrogen to encourage lactation and it’s in the milk. I’m lactose intolerant like half of adults anyway so I do almond milk and olive oil butter personally.
It is a badge i would wear with honor, because soy is awesome and the myth is bullshit.
YO GIRLS, FEMMES, AND THOSE TRYING TO AVOID TWINK DEATH, YOU READING THIS??
YOU DON’T NEED THAT EXPENSIVE HRT, YOU JUST NEED TO DRINK MORE COWS MILK!
BECAUSE THE INTERNET CLOWNS SAID SO. JUST LIKE HOW THEY FOUND THE BOSTON BOMBER!
afaik, it’s not really a myth. it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens and it’s often recommended as a supplement for HRT. Probably not enough to have much of an effect on its own though
it does actually have plenty of phytoestrogens
you think because it has “estrogens” in the name it turns you into a girl. phyto- means plant. are you a plant?
recommended as a supplement for HRT.
by who? facebook?
by who? facebook?
You know what I’ve been seeing on Facebook lately (qualifier, I use it for my local village group and those last few friends that refuse to use anything else)? People posting the fact that the AstraZeneca vaccine used a modified chimpanzee adenovirus and implying this is the cause of the mpox business.
I would 100% bet they got it from Facebook!
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19524224/
Its basically been proven as bullshit, physiologically if you are healthy its not true. There MAY be edge cases where if you are lacking the vitamins/minerals/essential fats necessary for hormone regulation it MAY in SOME people cause SOME irregularity but edge cases are just that.
Phytoestrogens and estrogens have some similarities in their chemical structure and ability to bind to estrogen receptors, but they have important differences in their effects on the human body:
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Estrogens are hormones produced naturally in the body, primarily in the ovaries in women. They are essential for sexual and reproductive development and function[5].
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Phytoestrogens are plant-derived compounds that have a similar chemical structure to estrogens and can bind to estrogen receptors, but they are not hormones and are not produced naturally in the human body[1][4].
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Phytoestrogens typically have much weaker estrogenic effects compared to human estrogens like estradiol[1][3]. The effects of phytoestrogens depend on factors like the specific type, dose, and individual differences in metabolism and estrogen levels[2].
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Consuming phytoestrogens from foods like soy, flaxseeds, fruits and vegetables is unlikely to have a significant impact on estrogen levels or health, as the amounts are very low compared to what the body naturally produces[4]. Concentrated phytoestrogen supplements may have more noticeable effects.
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In some cases, phytoestrogens may actually have anti-estrogenic effects by blocking estrogen receptors or reducing the body’s own estrogen production[1][3]. This is thought to be due to their structural similarity to estrogens.
Some potential benefits of phytoestrogens that have been studied include:
- Reducing menopausal symptoms like hot flashes in some women[1][3]
- Improving cardiovascular health markers[2][4]
- Reducing risk of certain cancers like breast and prostate cancer[3][6]
However, the evidence is mixed, with many studies finding no significant effects[1][2]. Potential risks include:
- Blocking estrogen receptors and reducing the body’s own estrogen production[1][3]
- Interfering with thyroid function in some cases[2]
- Potential effects on breast and prostate cancer risk, though the evidence is inconclusive[3][6]
Citations: [1] https://herkare.com/blog/estrogen-replacement-therapy-vs-phytoestrogens/ [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7468963/ [3] https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/648139 [4] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320630 [5] https://advancedhormonesolutions.com/do-you-know-the-difference-between-phytoestrogens-and-estrogen/ [6] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ [7] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0149763421005558 [8] https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/phytoestrogen
It’s really strange that all of the replies to your comment are essentially agreeing with you but you got downvoted into the dirt for stating facts.
See, what his coworkers did was good bullying. Anon learned something and also wasn’t fired for whatever skeevy pseudosexual thing he was implying about his coworker, probably over politics. Winning hearts and minds, people.
The really funny thing about this is OP is egregiously wrong.
Soy doesn’t contain estrogen, it contains phytoestrogen, which not only doesn’t produce any estrogen-like side-effect, but actively prevents our bodies from taking and producing estrogenic hormones.
This is all very ironic, considering drinking excessive cows milk leeches calcium out of our bones and exposes us to a smorgasbord of hormones not designed for humans.
Soy is shit tier anyway, oat milk all the way.
This leeching effect is not true. It’s a myth spread by alt-health providers.
At this point I just don’t believe anything weird anyone has to say about food humanity has eaten for thousands of years unless they can back it up with real studies from real medical journals.
I think your initial claim of cow’s milk leeching calcium has the burden of proof and so needs a source.
Otherwise, it’s proving a negative (that cow’s milk doesn’t leech calcium).
I haven’t totally believed this, but I also think its potentially useful to spread anyway. Sure, misinformation is bad, but so is climate change. Which one is worse?
Misinformation is always worse in the long run.
If people find out you knowingly lied about one thing, they’ll assume you lied about other things that are more important, regardless of evidence.
Climate change being an excellent example of this where it wasn’t so much lies as bad guesses and so many people dismissed it despite the growing evidence.
Doesnt cowmilk also actually have estrogen in it? Making it even more ironic?
Also cheese, eggs, meat, and even our environment due to waste products (feces, urine) generated by animal farms.
my ma once said that because milk has estrogen in thats the sole reason why trans girls exist :(
You know what’s great about nipple pus? You can make bacteria eat it down, then eat the resulting bacteria shit!
Out of all the things you can make out of soy, why milk? Tofu exists and it’s grand-master based food. I’ll smash several plates of mapo tofu without hesitation. Soy sauce, edamame, all ridiculously good shit.
I disagreed with you until last night about tofu. But gods damn that orange tofu I had last night was just excellent. Good tofu is apparently something that exists and was just always out of reach
People keep saying it’s nice, but I’ve never had any good stuff. I would try it again if thought there was a reasonable chance I’d like it!
Personally, I prefer soy milk to cow or oat milk because it has a better nutritional profile. It has less sugar and fat, and more protein, as well as having fiber. (Some oat milk brands do have fiber in them, but most of the ones I’ve found are very high in fat, sugar, and calories.)
Edit: And I like the not-overpowering vanilla flavored ones because I pretty much only use it for cereal or to accompany cookies.
If soy did do this, red states would be trying to regulate it so trans people couldn’t buy it.
Amazing, prior to today I didn’t know people could have this much information on soy and still end up objectively incorrect about its position relative to oat milk.
It’s phytoestrogen, dummy Anon.
Fragile bros terrified of phytoestrogen in soy will be chugging dairy milk without a single concern.
