Apologies for the slightly off-topic post…

It’s not looking good, folks…

George R R Martin confirms he hasn’t written anything for the 2 remaining A Song Of Ice And Fire books since 2022.

He wishes that they were finished.

The last published book in the series, A Dance With Dragons, was published in July 2011, now 13 years ago.

Obligatory song that’s now 12 years old… https://youtu.be/j7lp3RhzfgI

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Just make sure that Martin takes decent notes so that Sanderson can be tapped to bring the story home. Sanderson did a marvelous job finishing Robert Jordan’s giant story.

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I love Sanderson, he is my favorite fantasy author, and you are correct about his marvelous job finishing WoT, but he is just not the right fit tonally for ASOIAF. He doesn’t even write swear words, and GRRM’s books are fairly liberal with the fucks and the cunts. I would however be in favor of Joe Abercrombie or someone with a bit of a darker bent to their writing taking over if needed.

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He doesn’t even write swear words

Kelek’s breath, man. He swears all the storming time.

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Rust and ruin, I knew someone would bring up this crem.

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Not to mention his Mormonism may be at odds with the sex scenes.

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Just add more women - polygamy was all the rage in Mormonism back in the day.

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Abercrombie would be a great fit. Another good one would be Ed McDonald

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I would fuck with an Abercrombie takeover so hard.

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On the other hand, if you let Sanderson do it we would have the whole series finished and published within 18 months of GRRM passing it on.

People are going to gnash their teeth and rend their garments over those books no matter what.

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I hear he plans to bring in Patrick Rothfuss to pick up where he left off and also not finish the story.

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I was perfectly fine with the amount of annoyance I felt before I read this comment but you just had to bring up another unfinished series didn’t you? Now I’m all flustered.

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Ugh. That one hurts. Doors of Stone… where you at?

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Brando Sando has answered the question a bunch of times, and said he’s not interested at all. Also, GRRM previously said he would never allow it to be finished by anyone else. Who knows? Maybe the publisher will force it.

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Also, GRRM previously said he would never allow it to be finished by anyone else

If I remembered correctly, Jordan had also expressed similar thoughts, look how that turned out.

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Joe Abercrombie would be my vote if someone was doing it.

Sandersons books all feel like superhero meets fantasy, and he’s too much of a choir boy to match Martin’s tone.

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Sandersons … too much of a choir boy to match Martin’s tone

I’d agree, it’s not an ideal match. But another talented, perhaps up-and-coming writer (as Sanderson sort of was at the time) could do a good job.

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Sanderson did a great job, but my only critique was that the Tower of Genji part seemed rushed. The build up to that was almost as important as the Last Battle.

Also, I’ve read the series nearly 3 times and I stand by this statement: Fuck Faile. Fuck Perrin. Useless cunts

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I liked Perrin a lot…until Faile showed up in the first place.

But I can’t argue your statement.

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A whole book spent hunting for her? C’mon

I’m with you though he had so much potential in the beginning. His overall story is cool, but I just couldn’t get past RJ forcing me to read a whole book of nothing but Perrin tying knots in a strip of leather.

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No mention of the rush of the ending? Who WAS Elan and why the link to Rand? So many questions left

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The ending was pretty fast but it hit a lot of the points it should have. I don’t remember Elan since it has been a while and I’m neck deep in Malazan.

The link with Rand: i am guessing you mean what happened to him at the end? That makes sense if you recall him crossing balefire streams with Mordin in Shadar Lorgoth

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Sanderson did a great job, but my only critique was that the Tower of Genji part seemed rushed. The build up to that was almost as important as the Last Battle.

I don’t think the rushing was Sanderson’s fault, but Jordan’s for leaving so much unfinished. My understanding is that when Jordan died, Sanderson was asked to write the “final book”. When looking at the material that remained to be written Sanderson said it needed way more than one more book. He ended up writing three, but I wonder if the material may have called for five. Sanderson had his own stuff he wanted to write and didn’t want to live for more than three-book-years-worth in Jordan’s universe. I can’t blame Sanderson for that.

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Oh, I’m not saying I’m displeased at all - I’m just saying, that in a perfect world, I would have liked to have had him spread out the writing a bit more. You’re absolutely right - he had his own shit to do. He did an amazing job, all things considered. He also did us WoT fans an HUGE HUGE solid, and finished the damn thing when there was next to no hope that it actually would be finished.

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Sanderson is genuinely a pillar of modern fiction

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writes a lot, anyway

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One does not tap Sanderson anymore. Sanderson taps the zincmind that he spiked from Martin.

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Think GRRM has said when he dies he’s not letting anyone finish his work and his wife said she’d stand by that.

I’d like to see if the writing can salvage GoTs ending but I gotta feeling GRRM gave up because it doesn’t

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You think the ending of the show sucked? Imagine how he felt watching that shit.

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I would suggest that it was the broad outline of the same ending he planned and shared with DnD just implemented badly. He’s probably more pissed that they made his ending so unpopular by completely botching the landing as he now can’t use that same ending without risk of rejection. I still maintain it would have sucked as an ending even if it had been implemented at the same standard as series 5, but what we got made it far far worse.

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Yeah, he basically spoiled the ending with the tv show and now he needs to come up with a new one. Not that he actually will. He’ll never finish the series

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I’d be happy if he did the same ending again, just with his characteristically excellent writing

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The reason he hasn’t finished (or isn’t even trying any more) is because he’s written himself into a corner. There are a lot of loose ends and parts that don’t make sense, and that’s not even counting the parts that the show left out!

He probably felt dread, because he was probably hoping that they’d fix some of the mistakes he made, and make writing the book simpler.

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He fucked himself over by not having the time skip.

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He probably couldn’t see the tv due to the big pile of money sitting between him and the screen covering his view.

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I think he was fine with it, watching from his hot tub filled with money.

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Martin gave a more nuanced answer in which he said he envied authors who self-publish their books and thus don’t have to worry about deadlines

Like this bitch is worried about deadlines. Like deadlines mean a goddamned thing to him. I remember when Game of Thrones started airing wondering if he could finish the books before the show ended. This seemed like a possibility at the time? I don’t even remember. All I know is there has been nothing for 13 years. 13 years. I get it, he’s having more fun with other shit, but just hire someone to ghostwrite them with you. This is your main legacy, whether you want it to be or not.

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Apparently being constrained by deadlines turned him into a procrastinating, spineless teenager.

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So no one read the article? Just the headline?

This references a statement he made in 2023 which itself references a statement he made in 2022 saying he had the same number of pages completed.

This is an assumption that he has done nothing, rather than the far more likely situation of rewrites and editing.

People seriously some basic media literacy lessons.

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rather than the far more likely situation of rewrites and editing.

At this point that feels like the bigger assumption

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Especially after 13 years.

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Plus it’s not like he’s literally done nothing for thirteen years. He did Fire and Blood, wrote for TV, did a bunch of companion books, edited and produced stuff, and so on.

It would be nice if Winds didn’t seemingly get put on the backburner, but creators really can’t control their inspiration. George has as many stories to tell as hes always had, but for whatever reason he’s having trouble coming back to finish the story he started almost thirty years ago, and TBH I get it.

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No body says he has been idle. In fact, the major contention is that he been too focusing on doing all those things he mentioned.

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Sorry dude but he’s not doing shit. He’s busy buying random shit in my hometown and enjoying not working like 99% of the entitled rich transplants that priced out all the locals there.

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I honestly don’t know why this guy doesn’t just hire a couple ghostwriters to finish things, proofread them himself, publish them and be done with it

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Or credited writers even…

Who wouldn’t want to work with him to finish ASOIAF for a co-author credit?

Or a mention in the foreword even…

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Or better yet… The pagecount on the next book is somewhere around 1,100 pages at last count which is more than enough to publish.

Find a natural breaking point around 700 or 800 pages, go to print and reset the clock.

Then you’re already up 300-400 pages on the next book.

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I’m fairly certain that the last two books will be published close together. Grrm is well known for writing a chapter and then pushing it to the next book.

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I’m fairly certain that the last two books will be published

Hahahahahaha…

*gasp*

Hahahahahahahahaha

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Pride mostly.

There might also be some contractual obligations for him to be the one to right it. Also, he probably doesn’t have a clue where to take them.

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After what people he allowed to „finish things“ did to GoT I do not think that is very likely.

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